Lightning strikes again for the new Thunderbolts lineup
Posted by dailypop on May 22, 2010
The Thunderbolts has always been a red-headed stepchild of a superhero team. Born out of necessity when the heroes of the Marvel Universe were destroyed battling Onslaught, the Thunderbolts were a group of heroes shrouded in mystery until it was revealed that they were actually super villains posing as heroes (an excellent surprise that readers still remember fondly to this day).
After the Civil War ended and the Super Hero Registration Act was put into action, Tony Stark as Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. put a cape-hunting team into action to round up anyone who refused to sign up, led by reformed super villain Norman Osborn. Made up of the most twisted villains of the Marvel Universe: Venom, Bullseye, the Swordsman, Moonstone and reformed criminals Radioactive Man and Songbird along with the mentally damaged Penance (formerly Speedball), the team was given free reign in how they brought in renegade heroes, resulting in leaving a trail of carnage (and body parts) in their wake. Osborn struggled to maintain a modicum of control over his team and his own sanity, something he managed to pull off by a hair before all Hell broke loose and it took a madman to deal with an alien invasion of Skrulls.
When Stark failed to protect the Earth from a Skrull Invasion, Osborn saved the day and was regaled as a hero. Given leadership of both S.H.I.E.L.D. (renamed H.A.M.M.E.R.), Osborn discontinued the Thunderbolts squad (killing Swordsman even) and reformed the team as a black ops group made up of villains who had never met before such as Scourge, Headsman, Ghost, Black Widow, Ant Man, and the soldier of fortune Paladin. During the Siege of Asgard, the team was routed by the Avengers and was arrested/disbanded.
In the aftermath of the Siege, Luke Cage traveled to the Raft (where the New Avengers team was first formed) to start his new job. A former prison inmate himself (framed by a friend for a crime he didn’t commit), Luke even took the last name Cage as a reminder of the time he served before he escaped. Luke had accepted an offer to take part in an experiment that would shorten his prison term. The experiment was interrupted by a guard who disliked Luke which had unexpected results, granting Luke impervious skin and unusual strength and endurance. Cage operated on the sidelines for years (aside from a brief stint in the Fantastic Four when Ben Grimm lost his powers) but finally found his rightful place in the MU when he was asked to join the New Avengers. After the death of Captain America, Cage has operated as a team leader for the group, keeping them safe, focused and motivated.
Of course all of this attention can be attributed to Avengers scribe Brian Michael Bendis who had a fondness for obscure characters such as Cage and Spider-Woman and used his new job as head Avengers writer to bring them to the forefront.
More recently, Jeff Parker (Agents of Atlas, Underground) has taken over the Thunderbolts, steering it through numerous crossovers and artist shifts that would try many a man’s patience! The series has been exciting and humorously different, making it into a sleeper hit comic for Marvel, much like his other ongoing series Atlas. Jeff will continue his magnificent run on the book as the Thunderbolts rise from the ashes of the Dark Reign of Norman Osborn and into the Heroic Age. The writer spoke to CBRNews.com to give the run down on what readers can expect:
Luke is the linchpin that holds it all together. After what Norman Osborn did with the Thunderbolts program, most people don’t want it to ever exist in any form at all. But some influential people understand the value of a program that tries to give these powerful agents a more noble purpose. So the next time an Osborn rises to prominence, maybe he won’t have so many big guns at his disposal.
To justify keeping Thunderbolts going, a very trusted figure had to accept the role as the mentor/leader, and had Luke not taken it, it would have been shut down completely. He’s perfect. He understands how you can take a wrong path, and how you can better yourself. And he’s tough enough to deal with the hardest criminal.
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It is based in The Raft, now the only and most closely watched incarceration facility for extra-normal beings. The only possible way out, besides serving out your sentence, is proving yourself in the Thunderbolts. You can volunteer for it, but a committee has to select you. We’ll get more into that in the book.
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It will incorporate the various tones that each era of the Thunderbolts have had- it’s a big sweeping ensemble book, and there’s room for all of that, from the hopeful goal of redemption to the depths that the darkest characters embody. And when you get comfortable with one, expect it to shift!
The Thunderbolts have had several line-ups to date, but this one has to be the most bizarre. Team leader Luke Cage leads an unlikely crew of Crossbones, Juggernaut, Ghost, The Fixer, Mach V, Songbird, Moonstone and Man-Thing who must all strive to earn a pardon as part of a team led by the toughest guy in the Marvel Universe.
As Parker put it: “I would rather have Luke Cage screaming at me as I run into the probability of certain death than rot in this cell. Except for the Man-Thing, of course – no one can ever tell what he’s thinking. And no one asked him anyway.”
The new direction starts this month in Thunderbolts #144.





King Hulk Marco said
I sasw it on Jeff Parker’s website already.
Looks amazing!!! I was under the impression that Crossbones’ face was permanently scarred as an initation to be The Red Skull’s right hand man as well as him having a variant of the Super-Soldier Serum in his body.
I will look forward to seeing if this is still the case or have they changed it, like they change everything else.
Speaking of Jeff, have you been on his website lately? It’s weird, you can’t log on and post your comments. No message or anything to say that there is a problem.
Strange!
Jeff Parker said
Glad I happened to look on here- Marco, it may have been because of a setting I changed trying to combat some aggressive spam. Try to comment again and see if it works!
JP
dailypop said
And that, my friends, is a ‘blog connection.’
Thanks for the continued readership, Marco and thanks for all the fantastic comics, Mr. Parker! Thunderbolts continues to be my number 2 favorite monthly series (after Atlas, natch).
King Hulk Marco said
Gentlemen,
You guys rock! Jeff I will try your website to see if it is working again, I will let you know.
Warmest regards!
The one, The only King Hulk Marco
King Hulk Marco said
See Dailypop?
In the words of the late, great Humphrey Bogart, “Stick with me kid,and you’ll go far”!
That my friends is a big coup for this website.
Hell yeah!
Dailypop did you check the link I gave you yesterday to the best Daredevil website (in my opinion!).
What do you think?
Don’t worry Jeff, I have sent you the link to. I am curious to see what you think of it.
dailypop said
Manwithoutfear.com is a really excellent resource for DD readers. It’s great to see old hornhead getting the love these days!
Jeff Parker said
I can’t argue, it is clearly THE BEST DAREDEVIL WEBSITE EVER. It’s also the only Daredevil website I’ve seen, but still!
King Hulk Marco said
Well you are in it as well you know, due to your sterling work in Shadowland. Boy, must be strange reading your own own interview. Though in my own humble opinion you come out of it ok. Well done that man!
Zeno said
HI King Hulk. I have been meaning to say hi to you on this site. Maybe we could contiune our discussions here like we used to on Ratchet’s blog. What do you think?
King Hulk Marco said
Zeno, I am cool with that. I have emailed you on Jeff’s site today by the way. Type King_Hulk _Marco on google and see what I said on Marvel.com. Zeno you, Jeff and Dailypop stick with the King and you can’t go wrong!
Zeno said
King Hulk I just read your posts for the July Hulk titles. The interesting thing to note is listed among them Is the Conclusion to David Gallagher’s Darkstar series. Notice the first 2 parts are not listed and there was nothing said about a connection with the Hulk titles. I see a suprise ending coming to relates to the titles. It goes back my idea that also relates to Scropio. A few months ago Bruce said Cho was actually only the 10 smartest. Thinking about this that means that one of the missing men or women is someone the other 6 heroes either believe to be dead or do not know exists. Scropico’s Mom,would qualify,but do the other heroes know she is alive? More interesting is the Russian connection. There are two suspects which tie in to that storyline. Perhaps it is the Presence himself,or maybe as I specualted before it is the Gremlin. Did he die in the Iron Man issue? Remember nobody saw the body and the Soviets claimed he was dead but that could be a lie. More on this another time.
King Hulk Marco said
Zeno, you could be right. Though my money is on a returning Gremlin. Greg Pak had already said in an interview that he wants to bring some of the Hulk’s old supporting cast (like Talbot) back. Has I’m sure you are aware, the three super genius’ that the Hulk used to face on a regular basis were the Leader, M.O.D.O.K. & the Gremlin. So it makes sense. Did you read the info that Gary Miller gave me about what is happening after World War Hulks? Amazing or what?
dailypop said
“Did you read the info that Gary Miller gave me about what is happening after World War Hulks? Amazing or what?”
Details! Details!
Zeno said
No sounds interesting. Where did Gary write this? More on my theories later.
King Hulk Marco said
Zeno, the info is on Gary’s website. Dailypop the info is this :- Gary (through his sources in Marvel) have told him that that they are keeping Hiro Kala in reserve. The next big thing is Hiro Kala coming to Earth to have a big reckoning with his father the Hulk and his brother Skaar.
King Hulk Marco said
Also, he hasn’t answered my last set of questions/ideas (incidentally I submitted this info to Marvel too). Dailypop, if I were you, I would do two things :- 1). Get Gary on your team (tough one I know, man is the original Lone Wolf). 2). Get Zeno to review all Hulk related titles. Zeno, Dailypop what do you say? Zeno I know you would do an outstanding job.
dailypop said
Oh, I see, THIS Gary Miller: http://delusionalhonesty.blogspot.com/ I remember really digging his blog. I’d be happy to share info on this site of he’s game. I’d also be happy to have an additional reviewer if Zeno is interested. Let me know!
Zeno said
Thanks for the kind words King Hulk. Writing reviews is something I will seriously consider.
King Hulk Marco said
Guys, has you can see Gary is in contact with practically every top guy at Marvel. If you looked at my entries with him, you will discover that I worked out his secret ifanboy identity too. Dailypop drop Gary a line when you can. I am sure you two could work out a deal. Zeno, has you and Dailypop know I have a lot of faith in your abilities. You will knock this out of the ball park. You are a natural, make the most of this opportunity.
dailypop said
I have reached out to Gary Miller on facebook. Hopefully we’ll connect soon.
Zeno said
More info on the Gremlin. The history of him and the Presence are connected in a number of ways. Bill Mantlo first revealed that the two of the Soviet Super Soliders were his children. They found this out in Incredible Hulk 259. This was in the Presence’s Forribben Zone base. The Presence left with to another place not explained in the story. Interestingly this is the issue right before Talbot “died”. Now in ROM 44 in the Gremlin reappears. This is also by Bill Mantlo. Quasimodo,the creation of the Mad Thinker was using the Presence’s base with the Dire Wraiths in plot to kill ROM. The Gremlin was also to be hiding there and saved ROM. The Gremlin had earlier found out the Hulk was not to blame for his father’s death. He then joined the Soviet Super Soliders with the Presence’s kids the next issue. In Iron Man 220 he was killed. Looking at the time frame when did the Gremlin get there? There are a few possiblities.
King Hulk Marco said
Damn you are good. You could be on to something here. They could definitely use this in future story arc’s. You might want to suggest this to Jeff.
Zeno said
The other thing that I thought of was the Igor connection. Igor is the guy responsible for the creation of the Hulk way back in Hulk 1. He was mutated by the Presence in the Winter Guard one shot. Igor had worked for the Gargoyle who was of course was the Gremlin’s father. Here is the link below.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/igordren.htm
Zeno said
King Hulk,there is something else you might interesting. We talked before about the Talbot Russian connection. However there is the Red Ghost connection also. Talbot was held hostage by the Gremlin and the the Red Ghost could have known that.He was also with Talbot and Betty in the recent issue. In itself not siginificant. However back in fall Alpha he took the Cosmic Hulk robot from the Eternals. In the World War Hulks story we see Talbot and the secret base have the robot. Hence the Red Ghost gave it to Talbot. Then Modok and the Leader have it in Red Hulk 1. Then after the Ghost made up with the Leader,he had Talbot give the robot to him and Modok.
King Hulk Marco said
It is possible. Watch this space. According to Loeb & Pak, a lot of cool things are happening after the current run ends. Check out Green Zone for more info.
Zeno said
Thank you again for your kind words,King Hulk.
King Hulk Marco said
Hey, I wouldn’t say it if it weren’t true. Type green zone hulk site on google and enjoy!
dailypop said
Here’s the link for anyone looking for it: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=archive&type=kw&key=the+green+zone
King Hulk Marco said
Yep! That is it Dailypop. I have been reading here for months. Zeno, enjoy it buddy. You are going to love this. Thanks for doing this Dailypop, it is much appreciated. Wanted to ask, any luck with Gary Miller?
Zeno said
Actually I read all of these articles already. Thanks anyways.I asked Jeff Parker if there is another of the 8 smartest the Intel are worried about that the other heroes, except Banner do not know exist. He hasn’t replied. I understand he can’t give too much information away or Marvel will be mad. Remember the AIM base in the Forbbiden Zone the Winter Guard attacked in their one shot book? Maybe Modok has taken over the Presence’s base. David Gallagher hinted at this when he found my question on Ratchet’s site. He also hinted that the current Red Guardian is a LMD. Did you read his reply King Hulk? Still haven’t got Darkstar and the Winter Guard part 1. Might buy it tomorrow.
King Hulk Marco said
Nope, I haven’t read your comments regarding the Winter Guard. I haven’t been to Ratchet’s site for a couple of months so I missed it. Sorry! Regarding the Winter Guard mini series, I am getting it. It is quite good. Thanks for the Igor info yesterday, most enlightening. Question for you, have you gave it anymore thought regarding reviewing Hulk related title’s on this site? The reason why I ask, is because the origin’s of both Red Hulk’s is out next week. Your insight would be invaluable to say the least. My advice is to have a go and see what happens.
Zeno said
I will reserve a copy at my comic shop today so I can review them. I would like that. The new isssue of incredible comes out next week or is it tommorow? Savage She Hulks said it was the 9th but I am reading on the internet the 16th. And Loeb’s title comes out a week later right?
King Hulk Marco said
I am confused now. I was under the impression that Loeb’s issue is out next week. With Pak’s issue the same or the following week. Savage She-Hulks was a 3 issue mini which, has now ended. I am glad you are going to have go. I am VERY proud of you. Dailypop, Zeno is going to have a go at reviewing next week’s Hulk issue. Please give him whatever assistance he my require.
King Hulk Marco said
Sorry, meant to say may require. Knock’em dead champ!
King Hulk Marco said
Dailypop thanks for the info. Hopefully Gary will come and share his views here too. I have a feeling if he can, he will. I don’t expect him to stay long (I predict he will be working at Marvel in the foreseeable future – easily). The guy is on the edge of getting it.
Zeno said
King Hulk,this response from David Gallagher was back in December a few weeks after the Winter Guard came out. That is why I thought you read it. Maybe there is a google link if you type it.
Also do you or dailypop know much abou the Realm of Kings series? I haven’t read it but it might be related to what is happening in the Darkstar miniseries. A character named Fantasia falls out of this rift in space talking about the stars being destroyed. Is this related to the alien race that formed the rift in Realm of Kings?
dailypop said
I haven’t heard of that character in Realm of Kings. The series so far has featured dark versions of classic characters who worship the many angled gods (Cthulu-like). It’s absolutely amazing, though, and I do recommend it.
Zeno said
I think it is probably related to either the Darkforce or maybe Oblivion the cosmic entity. Have you read Darkstar and the Winter Guard yet? There is are some interesting references to ROM and a few other titles I found.
Zeno said
Other things I wanted to mention. In the new issue of it says that the Winter Guare are using the old wraith base outside the Forbbiden Zone that the Super Soliders along with the Gremlin made there new headquarters in ROM 46. Plus much of their technology is based on Dire Wraith technology found when they took over the base. It also clears up the mystery of Red Guardian 7. His human brain is in a LMD robotic body.
King Hulk Marco said
The Realm of Kings set of mini-series were nothing short of amazing. Hiro Kala’s rise to power to destroy the Old Power in the Microverse? Wow! The Inhumans taking over both the Kree and Shi’ar. The Inhumans making the Gladiator ruler of the Kree on their behalf. Again, wow!
King Hulk Marco said
Zeno, I will what I can do. I sure it is up to your usual standard though. The Fantasia element is going to have repercusions in the future.
Zeno said
Thanks King,but what part are you talking about doing what you can?
Zeno said
Here are some more things about the Darkforce. In ROM the Dire Wraiths lived in the Dark Nebula which had the Dark Sun and their planet. Wraith magic,was based on the same darkforce Darkstar used. This was established. I dont know if the next fact was established. I think the Dark Sun and the Wraith planet were at least hinted to be made of the Darkforce. Why is this important? Because Galactus tried to consume that planet but he was unable to. This is the reverse of what happend with the old power. It makes me wonder if the Darkforce will be used to cancel out the old power and/or power cosmic. It is sort of like matter/antimatter. Hence the darkforce could depower Hiro,Red Hulk,Skaar,or Red She Hulk or even Galactus. We also saw the negative zone energy depower Red Hulk a few months back. Which leads me to two questions maybe someone could answer.
1. Did Galactus ever consume a planet in the negative zone? I know Mr Fanstastic sent him there once. Not sure what happend after that.2. Has any clue been given as to why the Intel wanted the portal to the negative zone opened?
King Hulk Marco said
Hi Zeno, sorry if I wasn’t clear. What I meant was that I will try and find this entry that you made on Ratchet’s site (shudder!) in December with this David Gallagher guy. Also, I don’t think Galactus ever ate a planet in the Negative Zone though I could be wrong. Regarding the Red Hulk, I think was supposed to distract the FF so the Wizard’s team could nab Reed Richards. Opening the Negative Zone was part of the distraction (&) in Banner’s plot, to weaken Red Hulk. So that he couldn’t make the A.I.Marine’s & Hulked Heroes as powerful as the should have been.
King Hulk Marco said
Hi Zeno,
Just letting you know that I have found your comments on Ratchet’s site regarding the Winter Guard and the feedback you got from the story’s writer David Gallaher. Impressive indeed. I do vaguely remember that post.
Zeno said
Impressive? Maybe. It was of him to do that. Did you read the CBR interview? Hiro Kala is going to be the center of the next Hulk story arc. I started to post a few things about Hiro yesterday before my browser crashed. It hasn’t been made official if the engima force and the old power are one and the same Has it? It also seems the micronauts history is up in the air. Like Rom this is also based on Bill Mantlo stories and ideas. Where are they going wit this? Is this reason the engima force is corrupt because it comes from the microverse? Captain Universe is based on the idea of someone using the engima force in our world. It is not been said if the microverse still exists now. Do you know,king Hulk? I have a prediction on Loeb’s Hulk I will post in a few hours.
Zeno said
Loeb’s Hulk issue is roughly 1.5 weeks from today. The Hulk mystery follows the template of the Loeb’s Batman Long Halloween. My guess there is a twist ending coming in that issue. It could either be in the nature of Hush or Long Halloween. We will get a explanation and near the end we will get another “corrected one”. It could be some of things that revealed actually were caused by person x instead of person y. Or it could be there is another person behind the main plot itself,like in Hush. My guess the person who did things independently of or planned them might be the Red Ghost or Gremlin. Or maybe the Presence. Now that I think of it Betty’s position in this story is similar to the return of Jason Todd in Hush. In Loeb’s original story though,it wasn’t really Jason. Let’s hope they don’t say Red She Hulk is Betty’s clone.
King Hulk Marco said
I haven’t read the CBR interview but if you could post the link here I would be grateful. Regarding Hiro Kala been in the new story arc, I had already mentioned it on this very blog (scroll up to see it) that was courtesy of Gary Miller sharing some insider information with me. The information you have dug out is amazing! I can’t wait to read your first review, you are a natural! PS Zeno I do think that the Microverse is still about though.
Zeno said
I will post a link to the interview with Greg Pak. Scott Reed is also asked one question in it. King Hulk,have you looked at the preview pages for Hulk 610? Interesting stuff. No big suprises but it looks good. I will post a link to that also if you like.
Zeno said
King Hulk,here is the link to the Pak and Reed interview
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26649
King Hulk Marco said
It is okay Zeno I have found the article.
http://www.comicbookresources.com:8080/?page=article&id=26649
Also the comments made by the fans
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=325984
I am basically looking forward to it to be honest with you.
King hulk Marco said
Hi Zeno,
Check this out :-
http://newsarama.com/common/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=12304&p=281484#p281484
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26649
Zeno said
King Hulk,it says you are assitant editor. Do you help run that site? More ideas to tell you about. Interesting comment about Bill Mantlo don’t you think King Hulk? I am remember reading Pak say in another interview that Mantlo was his favorite Hulk writer. Look for posts below.
King hulk Marco said
Hi again Zeno,
Has you can see I am slowly but surely adding to our number of awesomeness. I am hoping to add more to our number so wish my luck!
Zeno said
There are alot of ideas in my head right now so I thought I will briefly mentioned some of them. First,I am suprised nobody talked about this before,it is interesting that the Presence chose to virtually destroy Igor by mutating him now. Reading that I wondered if there was a hidden motive. Was Igor going to reveal something that the Presence or the Intel didn’t want known? Has anyone read any speculation on this on anywhere? It would be interesting to theories. The second point is we have four distinct cosmic energies. The Power Cosmic,Old Power/Engima Force,negative zone energy,and the darkforce. Negative Zone can weaken the power cosmic at least when it is mixed with gamma rays. Darkforce energy cancels out the power cosmic. Can these two do the same to the old power? If so they could also depower Hiro or Skaar.
Zeno said
King Hulk,Greg Pak’s comment about the storyline being related to Bill Mantlo is interesting considering what we have talked about on this board.If the old power is really from the enigma force form microverse then either one of the races discovered the microverse perhaps one of the alien races first came from the microverse to our world. As I mentioned on Ratchet’s site,in the original Micronauts series there were a group called shadow priests who used the engima force. It is interesting that the race that used in our universe our also called shadow priests. The microverse is not really physically smaller it is just the getaways between the dimensions that are. I see another more connection I might go into for another time. Also there is another Talbot theory I have you might be interested in.
King Hulk Marco said
I would like to say that they made me Assistant Manager due to my awesomeness but that isn’t true. It is a mistake on their part. Though I would accept a job if they paid me though. Damn Zeno you are fire today! When I told all those months ago that you would be an asset to Marvel as a researcher I wasn’t kidding! You get more awesome with each day.
Zeno said
With those encourging words I will press on. Talbolt entered the Forbidden Zone in pursuit of the Hulk in around 258-259. If the Presence,Red Ghost,Gremlin,or someone else picked him up then perhaps he was cloned. Anyways I said before when did the Gremlin get on the base? Was there during 258-259 and just stayed in the background because the Presence let him? Can’t see how the Presence would not know he was there. The Dire Wraiths had to have taken over the base after 259. Two more Gremlin problems. It was not explained how he survived the blast after 188. Plus he said the Soviets were after him when he confronted them about lying to him about his father’s death. After he joined the Soviet Super Soliders this is forgotten. Maybe he was lying about what happend. The truth is it amazes me that neither Englehart or Wein dealt with his belief that the Hulk was to blame for his father’s death.
King Hulk Marco said
Good theory Zeno, though I would have said that maybe the Talbot that died was a an first generation A.I.M LMD or a brainwashed Dire Wraith agent that the Intel (or the Gremlin or even the Presence for that matter)sent to kill the Hulk using the War Wagon. It was that A.I.M LMD or brainwashed Dire Wraith agent that died.
Your earlier comments regarding the four different types of energy in the Marvel Universe is amazing work on your part my friend.
Definitely got to get you on marvel.com.
Zeno said
I am not only Marvel.com much,King Hulk. What do you want me to do there?
Zeno said
Thanks King Hulk. The infomration was there from Pak/Loeb/Manlo/Jenkins. Another thing is they brought back the Psykolps race from way back in Hulk history. I thought they would develop the contunitity between the Pysklops race and the microverse.. My research shows this is the first time any of that race other than the original Psycklops from Harlan Ellison and Len Wein stories has ever been seen. It is also the first time in over decade any of member of that race was seen. Increidible Hulk 203 was the last time to according everything I read. Here is the link to this. It was written before Son of Hulk.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/psyklophulk.htm#gods
King Hulk Marco said
My thinking was to get your ideas to a wider audience. Hence the reasoning of putting them out via marvel’s own website. The best way of doing that is through taking part through the Q & A sessions that Marvel do every so often. We do need to bring more people into our group. The guys at newsarama are a prime example. They would fit in here.
King Hulk Marco said
I am going to try and bring some more guys here.
Zeno said
We know Greg Pak is bringing back something from Mantlo’s work and tying it in to the events of Planet Hulk. The thing to remember only Miek’s race are native’s to planet Skaar. The Red imperial race and the shadow people are not natives of the planet according the guidebook of Planet Hulk and the stoires we have seen. My guess is the belong to a race that has been seen before in a comic that Bill Mantlo wrote.
King Hulk Marco said
Again, you could be right. A quick change of pace here, according to Marvel.com, during The Dark Son storyline, Bruce will decide which son dies (either Skaar or Hiro Kala). Has I mentioned before, that when you use a death of child (even a fictious one) it will always leave a bad taste in my mouth. I have a feeling one will end depowered as opposed to death. But, with Marvel who knows? Your thoughts dear friend?
Zeno said
You could be right about being depowered. I havent said this before but Marvel has a little overboard with the new hulk children. And the hulked out herose was not good idea. I did not like Hulkpool at all. However some peopl who are comparing this to the clone saga are wrong. The story itself is not that bad,it is just unnecceary stuff like this. The World War Hulks one shot in April should have been used to answer more questions about what is going on. The Jeff Parker and the Talbolt stories were decent but the others were just space fillers.
By the way I think there is one particular issue of Hulk from way back that will strongly tie into the events of Planet Hulk and the Hiro series that ended. I dont want to say which.
King Hulk Marco said
I have enjoyed the current run of Hulk stories & titles. The Hulked Out Heroes was designed to show the world that Deadpool is the next big thing in the MU. It was fun, but it shouldn’t have been included in the Hulk titles. I just think Marvel should think long and hard on what they are doing. I would keep both Ross’ as Red Hulks for the time being. Skaar as the future successor of his father works for me. Hiro Kala as the Quicksilver type of character should be where they are going. Down line he could be the future Protector of the Universe. Lyra future leader of the Avengers.
Zeno said
Generel Ross. I was talking to Ratchet about him. Ratchet lists Steven Engleheart as the one of the top 5 hulk writers. Top 5 Dr Strange writers? Easily.But he didnt really work well on the Hulk. For me at least. I said to Ratchet that around the time Roy Thomas started writing the Ross did develop some respect and sympathy for Bruce. Engleheart’s run took that away and once again he was bent towards destroying him. After Engleheart left the relationship back to what it developed into.The whole must capture the Hulk because Betty will not stay married to Talbolt didn’t make sense. I am going to ask Ratchet what he thinks about their relationship. Interested to hear your thoughts King Hulk.
dailypop said
I’m very much behind on Hiro Kala, but have enjoyed the recent Hulk comics since Planet Hulk. There have been some mis-steps here and there (Loeb tends to over-write some things and under-write others, Pak tends to fluctuate between fascinating and boring) but the Hulk has become such a major player in the MU again that I can forgive it.
Besides, the Jeff Parker issues have been amazing.
King Hulk Marco said
Funny you should ask me that question Zeno, as I made a similar point on another blog My feelings are that things have to change otherwise the people would get bored and go somewhere else. The problem is when writer’s paint themselves into a corner or, when an editor wants a prompt change back to the old status quo. This causes pain and frustration as the writer as to cobble together a story very quickly and to the fans who read it because it usually doesn’t fit with the existing story.
Zeno said
More news, King Huk. Have you read the Captain Universe 5 parter? There is yet another connection between what has been going on with the enigma force/old power. First off,the Hulk was in the first captain universe issue and for the second time had the captain universe power and Scorpion was in issue 3. In the story AIM was trying to capture and learn about the power. Of course Modok is connected with AIM. Plus though it isn’t mentioned Bruce’s old girlfriend and Scorpion’s mother, Moncia was studying this power for AIM. Now during this story the captain universe/engima force has ben malfunctining and It is not known why. The story never said why either. It was going to be answered in the new Captain Universe series. It never came out and nobody has since known why. As you can guess, I think the reason is the use of the old powe is the cause of that. It fits,since they are both part of the enigma force.
Zeno said
This is also interesting because in Alpha,it was Modok who came to the Leader and suggested the creation of the Red Hulk and the entire plot of capturing the great minds. Since Modok runs AIM and went after Monica,you have to wonder if he knows something that everyone else doesn’t. Another thought just occured to me writing this.The wormhole that took the Hulk to planet Skaar was from the Shadow people’s technology,mostly likely powered by the enigma force/old power. Did someone want Hulk to go to Skaar or was the enigma force seeking him out?
King Hulk Marco said
Dailypop, as you can see young Zeno is in fine form. I am actually VERY excited in the review we should be getting from him tomorrow. Just letting you and everybody here know that comic giant Al Williamson has just passed away. Just found out on Jeff Parker’s site. I have tried to give this icon a eulogy worthy of his statue, though I fear my words came up short.
King Hulk Marco said
I also hope that he gets a suitable send off on other websites. R.I.P. Al WiIliamson. You will be missed. I also wanted to ask any joy with Gary Miller?
dailypop said
No joy yet.
King Hulk Marco said
Zeno regarding the comments you have made today, you could be spot on. Regarding the latest Captain Universe stories, sorry I had missed them. Though this does all tie-in with existing Marvel cannon.
Zeno said
King Hulk,one other thing.Comic book database and Wikipedia saiy there has been another captain universe apperance in the recent Amazing Spider Man issues. A new character has it. Roger Stern wrote the issues,whcih I have not read.
Zeno said
Trying to decide how to apporach this review. I will try to avoid spoilers but still not sure how to appoarch this. Should I review both stories? I would prefer that.
King Hulk Marco said
The new Captain Universe was a young kid who had his life destroyed by Juggernaut. He seeks revenge, trys to kill Juggs. Spider-Man stops him. Power leaves kid, goes to Juggs who saves the day as new Capt. Universe. Power leaves Juggs after he saves the day. Juggs apologies to kid for ruining his life and leaves. Kid writes book about his life story. Becomes no. 1 best seller. Yep! You should review both stories and give your opinion.
King Hulk Marco said
Also give your opinion and a bit of backstory to the story and where do you think it is leading to. Reviewing both stories is a must especially when you consider the upcoming Dark Son storyline.
King Hulk Marco said
PS You do know that the Maestro is back teaming up with Kang against the Avengers don’t you?
Zeno said
No I didnt’. That could be interesting. King Hulk,did you see the September solitications from Marvel for the Hulk titles? I just saw them tonight. Did you see what the new Scott Reed 3 part series is called?
King Hulk Marco said
I know that the title will be called The Incredible Hulks. It will out twice a month during the Dark Son storyline. The Jeph Loeb Hulk title will disappear while this is going on.
Zeno said
Just wanted to say I am working on the review. King Hulk,I wanted to tell you the Scoot Reed titles is underlined Enigma Force. Not old power or new power but enigma force,the same energy that binds the microverse and is the source of Captain Universe. I also heard a rumor that should excite you,King Hulk. As of Hulk 25 Jeff Parker is taking over from Loeb. Have you heard this? Not a positive about this. Does anyone know if this is true?
dailypop said
Whaaaaattt!???
Zeno said
Here is the link King Hulk. Hulk,which is what I assume you meant Loeb’s title is still coming out. The engima force hulk title is at the very bottom.
http://marvel.com/news/all.12829.first_look~colon~_september_smashing_previews
King Hulk Marco said
If you look on the last page of Incredible Hulk #610 you will see what is happening over July and August. Also there is a link to http://www.marvel.com Hulk section call http://www.bannerknows.com . Supposed to give insider info on how they came up with the current storyline. General concenus is Jeph Loeb is leaving at Hulk #25 and the title is being cancelled. Whether this is true or not I couldn’t say. Only Marvel knows for sure. Though I don’t think either you or Dailypop would be surprised to know that I would still love Jeff Parker to take over this title. I do hope that they do keep Ross as Red Hulk. Without revealing spoilers here, Incredible Hulk #610 did fill in a lot of gaps. Also I am shocked as to what happened to Samson. Wasted opportunity in my opinion.
Zeno said
I was lookng over the last few issues and there are some important points that should be brought up. Why did Ross team up with the Intel? When you remember a communist known as the Red Ghost is in their ranks it makes one wonder. Two,does he know about Talbolt being alive? Maybe I missed something,but I havent seen any indication he does. Three,there was more to the Intel’s plan than invading the U.S. Remember that scene in Red Hulk 4 with the map of Russia? Yet another Russian connection. Fourth,nothing has been heard from the alternate reality monitors,ARMOR, in the earlier Lyra stories, bringing me to the end of Red Hulk 4. Was what they saw perhaps from a alternate timeline that lyra gave them? Or was it made up?
King Hulk Marco said
Zeno & Dailypop, I have responded. My comments are ‘awaiting moderation’ so bear with me.
Zeno said
There is one more very important point. Without giving any spoilers away Bruce said the leader never considered Cho one of the eight smartest. Now theLeader and Modok both said their target was the eight smartest heroes. Even including Tony Stark who is/was brain dead at the time you still have seven. Plus the modok said in 607 after the Reed and Doom were captured “Of the “remaning eight Banner is the most dangerous.” Remaining. Minus cho or Stark,there were Bruce,Pym,Panther,Mccoy. I will assume he included Stark,and that would make 5 remaining. There could be as many 3 people left. Even with Reed and Doom,you have seven since there was no Cho. A minumum of at least one person is unaccounted for.
King Hulk Marco said
Well, I am surprised that Charles Xavier wasn’t on the list (or Magneto for that matter). It could be anybody.
Regarding the Red Menace/Communist connection. It probably will be connected to this.
This is what CBR says about Jeff Parker taking over the Hulk title. Do read all five pages and let me know what you think.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=11367729
It llks like it is Jeff and Gabriel Hardman doing Hulk #25. Though not sure if it is an ongoing arrangement or a one off. Has mentioned already, the title could be cancelled after Hulk #25.
Zeno said
Interesting stuff King Hulk. Because of this new story I am going back to my collection for all the issues where Jarella’s world appeared. Including What if. After some research my review will appear. By the way Doc Samson met the micronauts once in micronauts 29. He shrunk them to go in Commander Rann’s brain,just like in Hulk 200. In Mantlo’s story Nightmare tried to attack Rann’s subconsious. The same idea Mantlo would use in his long Hulk story arc. Here it is in a single issue two years earlier.
King Hulk Marco said
Please do, I am quite interested in what your research turns up.
Excuse the poor spelling, I am so excited that I am just typing really fast.
King Hulk Marco said
For the record Zeno,
Here is the respond from Ratchet’s site :-
http://hulkcollection.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/also-out-in-stores/#comments
I have a feeling he is not too happy with Jeff Parker and Gabriel Hardman doing Hulk #25. Shame that!
Man, I would love for Jeff to make the Hulk title part of his regular group of books that he does on a month by month basis. It would just be amazing to see that happen!
Jeff, if you are here please make an old timer very happy and make my dreams come true!
Warmest regards!
Marco aka King Hulk Marco
PS Dailypop What do you think?
dailypop said
I think that while it would make me a very happy man, the Jeff Parker/ G. Hardman on Hulk 25 rumor is based on a database error. Seeing them on both Atlas AND Hulk seems a bit hard to believe.
ratchet said
I’m actually fine with Parker taking over Hulk at issue #25 – I just thought the whole series would have been cancelled.
King Hulk Marco said
Dear everybody,
Here is preview for Hulk #23 enjoy!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=5499
King Hulk Marco said
To both Zeno and Dailypop,
I have actually had the chance to go to this link at Marvel.com it is a humourous promo for the Hulk titles.
I have added some comments to this though it will take a while for them to appear :-
http://www.bannerknows.com
Once my comments make it past mederation see what you think and let me know
dailypop said
Looking forward to Zeno’s review! It’ll be nice to see comments on Hulk material actually attached to a Hulk article rather than a Thunderbolts article
Speaking of which, have either of you checked out Parker’s TB issues?
Zeno said
Dailypop,you also seem to like Dr Who. I am also Dr Who fan. Maybe I could someday review Dr Who related items. If I ever send this current review.
King Hulk Marco said
In one word, no. My local comic shop knows that I am down for Atlas and Thunderbolts. They did an IT systems update that week and lost all the standing orders for everybody. I got everything that was outstanding minus Thunderbolts. It sold out everywhere! If anybody wishes to send me a copy I would grateful. Check out my comments on Gary Miller’s site. Also the comments I made to bannerknows (once it gets through moderation). I was busy this weekend. Did stuff on newsarama and ifanboy.
dailypop said
Ugh, sorry to hear about that. I’ll keep my eyes open to see if there are copies about this side of the pond. I wonder of it will get reprinted on its own or as part of a ‘must have’ three-in-one.
King Hulk Marco said
PS Dailypop, just thought I’d let you know. Due to the fact that you have been honest and fair with me, I have decided to do you a solid. Some new people will be viewing your site. If they like what they see, they might be interested in blogging (and possibly) reviewing stuff on your website. Trust me, you will be pleasantly surprised. All of this is in the pipeline. If this works, you will love me for life! So you think that Jeff & Gabriel doing Hulk #25 is an error? Really? I have seen it on a few sites now. I do hope it isn’t.
dailypop said
Cool, it would be interesting to see and hear what other people have to say. With as many articles as I have written on this blog, there is plenty for them to check out.
King Hulk Marco said
Thanks Dailypop that is most kind of you. I doubt that I will be able to bring one I want to your site. But if I can bring in one certain individual to your website, well things will never be the same again. Good news, my comments have finally come through on the bannerknows site. Also go to Gary Miller’s site and see what he said about Incredible Hulk #610, it is quite good.
dailypop said
It’s funny, I actually worked out the identity of the Red Hulk a long long long time ago and posted it here: http://dailypop.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/who-is-the-red-hulk-slight-return/ Granted, my analysis is not as in depth as Gary Miller’s, but it’s all there.
King Hulk Marco said
Sorry, meant to say bring everyone I want.
King Hulk Marco said
Just saw your other question. The last issue of Thunderbolts is due for a 2nd printing (allegedly).
Zeno said
King Hulk,I have a question for you. Marvel Uk was following seperate contiunity for it’s own characters right? I know they had regular Marvel Superheores like Hulk and Spider-Man appear in these stories. But I am assuming these appearances are not offical. Or are they?
King Hulk Marco said
Zeno, it depends on the story really. Transformers for example. When there was a problem with reprinting stories due to whatever reason, Marvel UK got their writers to do original stories. Which fitted in perfectly with the existing continuity and because they listened to the fans and gave them what they wanted, they sold more comics. Case in point the original Death’s Head. Created originally by Marvel UK to kill Galvatron. Then tried to kill Slyvester McCoy (as the seventh Dr Who). Kicked Iron Man 2010′s ass. Finally saving Franklin Richards from a rogue robot. All this done in afew short years. They just did a story where the Leader took mind control of Ross & the Hulkbusters to take out the Hulk. Spider-Man helps Hulk out. Leader sics Flux, Ravage and original Abomination against our heroes. This happened outside of 616 continunity.
King Hulk Marco said
Dailypop, you sir are a genius!
Zeno said
King Hulk,I was looking back at Red Hulk issue 4 which I am sure you read. Did you notice the old fellow talking to Betty in the fake future Bruce and Red Hulk created? She called him Jim. The Intel did not know who he was. Who he could be? Also been reading Death’s Head 3.0 and I plan to look for Modok’s 11. There is yet another Bruce/engima force and AIM connection with all this. Bruce’s old girlfriend eventually has a grandaughter who in the future creates the new Death’s head 3.0. These were seen in Planet Hulk. What powers the robots is the Uni Power/Enigma force. The story says it is they were recovered from alien robots however.The origin is still unclear Planet Hulk’s Death’s Head came through the wormhole and were controlled by the king. Another old power engima force link. I will have more later.
King Hulk Marco said
Dailypop, good news! Gary Miller is interested on doing stuff on your site. How cool is that? Good work Zeno, is this granddaughter a relative of Bruce’s?
Zeno said
King Hulk,regarding your question,it is very possible that the character is Bruce’s grandaughter,if he is Scropion’s father.I’m almost finished with all of the stories that take place in Jarella’s world. I am interested in if the What if story is considered part of contunitiy. With the exception of that story all of the stories about Jarella’s world, Kai,written after Hulk 248,and before this year were done by Peter David. That is 4 issues worth in a span of 30 years. Each were 2 part stories. The first 2 part story was in the hulk and the second was in Captain Marvel early in David’s run. The last story is basically a comedy and doesn’t explain much what has happend.
King Hulk Marco said
Sounds most interesting indeed. Its times like this that I wish I could read the Top Secret History books that Marvel has on each of their top characters.
Zeno said
Top secret history books? I never heard of those. Are these special company files or book that are on sell?
King Hulk Marco said
PS How is the review going?
Zeno said
Most of the text I know how I want to do it. The opening paragraph is the hardest part. The rest will have critical comments without giving too many spoilers for those who did not read the issues. Also the review is not about my speculations on the future but on the quality of the issue itself. I may publish a article on my speculations seperately. If I do a article like that it would be in the style of Gary Miller’s Red Hulk article.
Dailypop,do you have any suggestions or guidelines for the review. How critical can I be of things Marvel does?
King Hulk Marco said
Marvel have top secret top history files/books on most of their characters. These files/books first came to light during the Wolverine : Origins series. Sadly they are for internal use only to help with plotting and they are not for sell to the public.
Zeno said
That is interesting. Do you have any links to articles that talk about this? In this case of Hulk it is interesting due to the fact it seemed like they were really ignoring alot of the history of the character from the 80s through 90s. Are these at all similar to character bibles that DC has for Batman? I heard if you write for Batman you given this as reference of dos and don’ts.
King Hulk Marco said
Following Gary Miller’s style is probably the way forward. I am sure Dailypop will be able to give you the advice that you need. Good luck!
King Hulk Marco said
I would imagine (from you said Zeno) that it does sound similar to the Batman Bibles. If you go to your LCS and look for the Wolverine : Origins graphic novel most of the info is in the black and orange cover version (I think) but please look at both to be on the safe side. The only website that I think would would have it are the http://www.loganfiles.com these guys are (seriously) dedicated.
Zeno said
King Hulk,Wolverine’s background is complicated,to say the least. I’ve read the last few month of Daniel Way’s Wolverine Orgins,but was not too impressed. Other reviews on the internet seem to have the same problem as me. Too little of what happens is explained. Another thing is the last story arc,when Way did the ‘It is a ending but it really isn’t a ending’ trick. Even Greg Pak,who is a good writer, did this with his funeral of Herculus two parter. Marvel should just say when a story will end instead of splitting it in up in multiple story arcs or different mini series.
Zeno said
Reading my last comment, I want to say it is not that Way is bad writer. The only work of his I read are the recent Wolverine issues and the Hulk issues he did,which was half decent. One would need to read more to make a judgement of ability.
King Hulk Marco said
The question is Zeno, is it the choice of the writer or, the decision of the editors to do the story that way?
Zeno said
Good Question. When the writer and the editor are the same person like Len Wein was when he wrote Hulk then there is no question. I can’t remember if you ever told me your thoughts on Len Wein’s Hulk work. As good of a writer as Peter David is,what suprises me is the attiude that were no great Hulk stories until he came along. I know he helped save the title when he started,but there were many excellent stories by writers like Roy Thomas, Len Wein, Bill Mantlo,and Archie Goodwin,who all wrote classic stories.
King Hulk Marco said
I agree with your assessment, that there were good stories before Peter David. The reason he got all the press was Marvel rejigging their own history to serve their own needs. Trying to separate the ‘old’ green Hulk smash to the ‘new’ grey Hulk Fixit. I liked Len Wein, I thought he was a good writer. I noticed you missed Gerry Conway from your list. He I really liked.
Zeno said
Let me clear that up. 147 had a Leader story written by Conway but the earlier part was written by Thomas. The back up tale is famous and it was the last thing Roy Thomas wrote for the Hulk for awhile. A year later he did plot the issue right before Engleheart’s began. Talbolt and Betty got married and Counter Earth Bruce Banner meets the Hulk. Steve Gerber did the dialouge for the issue. It is one of Gerber’s earliest writing credits for Marvel and the only one for the Hulk. Gerber did use the Hulk alot in his Defenders run however. Which I really liked alot.
Zeno said
True, Gerry Conway did some good stories,but he was not a regular writer. He finsihed the story in Thomas last issue. 147,which had the back up Heaven is a small place written by Thomas but not Conway,and the Counter Earth Warlock story right before Wein started. Notice I didn’t include Steven Engleheart.
King Hulk Marco said
What you are saying it is a matter of personal preference which is cool with me. I have forwarded a link of this site to Gary Miller. I will email you Zeno a bit later. Take it easy. Warmest regards (as always) Marco
Zeno said
I added a explanation on the whole Talbolt alive vs LMD controversy on Gary’s site. It should be the first comment under his Hulk 23 review.
Zeno said
Hi King Hulk I got your message and I’m looking at the links. I had already read Gary’s Hulk 291 link and watched the bannerknows vidoe last week.I will go back to the site to see your comment. Got Hulk 23 this afternoon and read it. Gary has just added of this issue to his and site and I in the middle of reading it. Thanks again.
King Hulk Marco said
You are most welcome my friend. I have just finished work & am heading my LCS to get it. We shall compere notes later. I shall check out your comments later on Gary’s site.
dailypop said
I have a direct sub from Marvel… so I may get to read it next week or next month depending on when it arrives.
Zeno said
King Hulk, do you know why Marvel wanted to rejiggle their history? Second did they do this with other characters? I can’t recall them ignoring old stories of say, Spider-Man. Daredevil is the only other example that comes to mind. That was different because it was after Frank Miller made him popular. With Hulk this was done before David made him popular again. Maybe during or right before John Byrne took over.
King Hulk Marco said
Zeno my friend I have purchased and read said issue, all I can it is amazing, fantastic and incredible! Looks like Marvel used my idea (Samson killed Quartermain) so I am very happy! The only thing they left out was the Zzsaxx part of the Ross story, which needed to be included as it shows Ross capable of handling super-power. Also in July’s issue of Marvel Preview it is confirmed that Jeff Parker and Gabriel Hardman are taking over from Hulk #25 as the new creative team. I would say that I won but I don’t want to be premature in case something happens. Dailypop just buy a copy. You are goint to love it!
King Hulk Marco said
To Zeno & Dailypop, check out the comments I have made on Gary Miller’s site. I think you both will be pleasantly surprised (especially you young Zeno). Use the link provided above.
Zeno said
Just read your comments King Hulk. I forgot about the living shadow. Didn’t even know he was used after that one issue. One problem with Loeb’s plot that I mentioned to Ratchet was that the Leader teleported away in 610 but didn’t do that here to avoid Ross. Also why didn’t Ross try to drain the Leader’s powers before he could get him. It does not fit. The Ross LMD murder is something you and I talked about a few months ago. Since we now know the Intel is working with the black ops goverment branch killing the LMD to prevent them from having access to goverment clearance no longer makes sense.
King Hulk Marco said
Very true as I mentioned to you before Zeno, my money is on the real Talbot being the link between the Intel and General John Ryker’s group who still have an ongoing gamma super soldier program. Remember Norman Osborn set him free to run it as a private company to grant super powers to anyone who can pay. Notice that the Gamma Corps Black were made up of 3 female soldiers who had committed crimes. Meaning he is still using his miltary contacts.
King Hulk Marco said
My money is on Talbot being one of Ryker’s men who was sent undercover to spy on Ross and Gamma Base to info, bio samples, tech all for their gamma super soldier program. Probably didn’t count on falling for Betty. The Living Shadow first appeared appeared in :- Where Monsters Dwell #31, Hulk #184 then in Captain Universe made last appearance (as far as I know).
Zeno said
It says Kaa made a cameo in the first issue of Kurt Busiek’s defender’s mini series. By the way in Captain Marvel 6,by Peter David,which was the last apperance of Jarella’s planet until this year,David played a trick on the readers where one of the characters said the realms of the Micronauts were merged together there is a footnote saying it was in the Small X-pections comic,that never existed. Some of the Micornauts were in this story too.
Zeno said
Excellent theory King Hulk. Ryker was behind the scenes way back. A small chance do you think Norman Osborne is going to play a part? By the way I mentioned the Peter David footnote because I wanted to know if any other writers have used that information about the Microvese being merged by Karza and Thanos. I’m not aware of any but I wanted to make sure.
Zeno said
King Hulk,Dailypop, I have another Realm of Kings question. Are the gods of this alternatte universe you mentioned in Realm of Kings ever seen in the series? If so what do they look like?
King Hulk Marco said
Crikey! It’s times like this I wish you and I were living near each other and we go to the local pub and thrash things out. At the end of it we would have such a terrific story that it would blow Marvel’s socks off! First things first, thank you for your kind words, you are too kind. Regarding your questions, 1). Marvel rejigging Hulk’s history. Marvel pushing Peter David over previous writers first time I saw that was was in that magazine I bought in 1990 / 1991. Though if you check your old comics I am sure you will see the some of the praise that Marvel showed to Mr David.
King Hulk Marco said
2). If Norman Osborn plays any further part with this I will be surprised. If it does happen it would be a good thing as it would bring Hulk back into the centre of the MU. 3). Peter David / Microverse story first time I heard about was now. I’m the wrong person to ask, sorry. 4). Dark Gods – I personally have only their hand & arm when they grabbed Pysklops. You to ask someone else. I don’t know. Sorry!
Zeno said
Yes I am sure we would enjoy going out and talking if we could. I hear that is how Gurenwald and Macchio would plot Marvel 2 in one during their time on the title. They would go restaruants and outline the stories. I’ve meaning to ask Jeff Parker if he was a fan of that series. Thundra was many and Macchio had created Project Peagasus which played a major role in their run. Also have you read Marvel two in one 50 written and drawn by John Byrne? The HOH Deadpool story has a similar premise.Went off topic here. I will post the original question in the next post.
Zeno said
The original question was about Realm of Kings. It wasn’t the Dark Gods that Pscylokp race served,but this new race of gods in the realm of kings mini series. Have they been seen? If so,what do they look like?
dailypop said
Zeno, give me two shakes and I’ll get the Realm of Kings info for you.
dailypop said
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=mkdaj7&s=4
Zeno said
Dailypop,no pictures are coming up on this link. Just ads. Sorry.
dailypop said
Not sure why you aren’t seeing it, Marco and I can view it fine. Marco identified my find as not being the actual ‘many angled ones’ that are referred to, though my understanding is that they are based on Cthulu of HP Lovecraft’s stories and that jives with the image. In short, I’m not sure that the gods worshiped in the Cancerverse have been seen yet.
King Hulk Marco said
I am glad you agree with me. Hah, you and I discussing a plot for a new story. That would be amazing! Go to Gary Miller’s site when you can. I have just revealed an amazing new titbit of information. I think (hope?) you will like it. Nope! I haven’t a clue what the new/old Dark Gods look like. Sorry! You never know, it might be covered in the Dark Son storyline or the spinoffs.
King Hulk Marco said
Marvel Two in One #50? If it is the Project Pegasus run I have read some it. I will let you pose that rather interesting question to Jeff yourself. Curious for the answer myself.
Zeno said
Marvel two in one 50 is where the Thing goes back in time to when he had more of a clayface look. Reed had this formula that would cure him,but it would only work on his younger form. The Thing takes the time machine and get his younger self to take the formula. It is a well known story. They reprinted it in the 1995 Marvel Megazine, issue 5, I think. The megazine, unfortuantly lasted only 6 issues. The very last issue of Marvel two in one,100, is a sequel to issue 50. Byrne also wrote this but someone else drew it. I haven’t read it yet. Those are the only two issues Byrne wrote for Marvel two in one but he did help with the artwork in a few others including Project Pegasus.
Zeno said
King Hulk,what edition of Project Pegasus do you have? The new one has the first two apperances of the Project 42-43. Those issues were written by Macchio alone. 42 is drawn by Byrne.The earlier editon does not have them The official Project Pegasus saga 53-58 was with written with Mark Gurenwald. Like Byrne,Claremont wrote only two issues. It is easier to just give you this fan website. There is alot of good information here.
http://www.oelib.com/mtio/index.html
King Hulk Marco said
Question needs to be asked is General John Ryker related to Captain Simon Ryker (original Deathlok bad guy) in charge of the super soldier program in the 70′s? He wanted to create cyborg super soldiers for the US. See? The shift from cyborg to gamma super soldier.
dailypop said
Marco, have you read Jason Aaron’s ongoing Weapon X series? It’s very good and features excellent artwork by Ron Garney. The latest storyline is a Deathlok meets Terminator-style story that I think is rewriting the character’s origins.
King Hulk Marco said
Check out Essential Marvel Super-Villain Team Up Volume #1. Read issue #4 in book. Story by Mantlo & art by Trimpe and Jim Mooney. Enjoy!
King Hulk Marco said
That is not a pic of a Dark God but one of the rift monsters from the life dimension.
King Hulk Marco said
Yep! I have read Marvel Two In One #50 and the sequel story #100 both as reprints natch. Bear with me, I remember a comic more by the story then by the issue no. I have responded to Gary Miller’s comments. We now have three separate Maestro’s in the MU. Check it out on Gary’s site! Regarding the Project Pegasus stuff I read parts of it at my LCS haven’t bought it yet.
King Hulk Marco said
What do you think about the Ryker comments I made yesterday?
Zeno said
Funny you asked that King Hulk. I remember reading a issue I think of Marvel Team up where the name Ryker came up and briefly asking myself the same question. Since Paul Jenkins named him maybe we could ask him. I don’t much about Paul Jenkins or if he was a Deathlock fan.
King Hulk Marco said
Hi Dailypop, I know this stuff is based on Lovercraft’s work. I was under the impression that the dark gods were intelligent. This lot are just eating machines. If that is true then all the old stories when the statue’s of the old gods come alive then that is what they are. Large demon like monsters with little intelligence eating everything in their path then. Not very impressive then.
dailypop said
These creatures are based on Cthulu, not Cthulu itself, though.
dailypop said
Speaking of which, did you see my article on ‘Rough Magik’ posted on Friday?
King Hulk Marco said
I did. A very good article from your good self. This ties in beautifully with my request for asking for a complete list of pulp heroes. You do need to form links with those specialist sites as Hollywood are going down that route to produce pulp hero based films. Recent examples include Soloman Kane, soon to be released Green Hornet and The Lone Ranger in production (Johnny Depp as Toto allegedly). This could be the next big explosion in movies if Hollywood do it right (big if I know!).
dailypop said
Thanks again for the accolades and the movie rumors sound… iffy. I hear that Solomon Kane was only okay in the end. It was released in the UK but not in the US yet. Have you seen it?
Zeno said
King Hulk,I need your help. Please post any links you can find that are interviews with either Greg Pak,Scott Reed,or David Gallagher. The one Pak interview was informative and seems to give more evidence of my theory for Pak and Reed have planned for the Hulk in the next few months.
King Hulk Marco said
Hi Zeno in answer to your questions :- 1). The interviews that you require are mostly on Green Zone. 2). Everything else is on http://www.marvel.com what you do is go to each individual comic that you are interested in and read the comments that writer has given pertaining to that comic. Easy! 3). Regarding the tale of the Ryker’s I think I will drop Paul Jenkins and see what he says.
King Hulk Marco said
To Dailypop feel free to drop Gary Miller a line. He is eager to work out a deal and get things moving. At the end of day Jameson it is up to you. Let Gary know one way or another. It is not fair to keep the guy hanging.
dailypop said
Marco, I emailed you on this one. Please feel free to contact me directly with any questions so we can keep the comic book conversation going here. Ta.
King Hulk Marco said
Sorry about that me bad. In answer to your question I have seen Soloman Kane. It was ok. Didn’t stay in the cinema for too long though. Hollywood go through this cycle where every few years they do afew pulp movies. Remember Jameson, it always pays to be prepared.
dailypop said
True. I should work on some regular pulp articles. I’ve covered Solomon Kane somewhat, Green Hornet, Buck Rogers and the Lone Ranger to some degree. I’ll build a new category so that they are easily ‘searchable.’ The Spider could use some love and attention, I’m sure.
King Hulk Marco said
Definitely, goes without saying. Just say for example that the new Green Hornet is a smash hit. What happens? The market is flooded with Green Hornet merchandise. Comics, books, toys, sweets, posters, t-shirts etc. Sequels made, talk of a tv series. Then other film companies buy the rights to other pulp hero characters and try their luck turning them into movies. Who will be in a strong position to cash in? You!
King Hulk Marco said
PS Well done in contacting young Gary. You two working together is a natural fit. You do stuff on his site and he returns the favour by doing stuff on yours. You both are aspiring writer’s so you can help each other in that regard to. Both of your sites gain from the added exposure of the other. It’s a win / win situation for the both of you.
King Hulk Marco said
PPS Please add a section to your home page whereby people can see immediately who and where somebody as made a recemt comment (like on Ratchet’s home page). This would so make your life easier.
King Hulk Marco said
Hi Jameson, I am reading the Deathlok/Weapon X stuff. The Deathlok mini series is better though. A lot of this stuff is ripping off Marvel UK’s Dragon’s Claws/Teeth also some of the more extreme stuff that came out in the late 70′s early 80′s.
Zeno said
King Hulk,I might have asked this before but do you remember Red Hulk 4? There was that fake timeline the Intel saw. There is a older fellow who was talking about the plants. The Intel did not know who he was. Do you have any ideas? Was he the Gardner? Interestingly in Scott Reeds back up story there is a conciousnesss or spirt in the planet. This is interesting because the Hulk took the Gardner’s soul gem,and pushed the gem through the planet and revived it. This was 248. Now the soul gem is no longer on Kai. Are they retconning this? Or did the soul gem merely reawaken the worldmind which caused these effects? In Micronauts the planet Spartak had a worldmind. That was the origin of the certain planets have worldmind comments.However there are some problems with this idea. What do you think? Do you have any ideas on this?
King Hulk Marco said
To be honest Zeno,
It is quite hard to say one way or the other. It could be the The Elder of the Universe called the Gardener or it could Jim the post guy. Without more information you could be speculating to the cows come home.
Zeno said
King Hulk,who is Jim the post guy? I will have to look this up now.
King Hulk Marco said
Zeno, Jim the post guy is something I invented on the spot to illustrate my point that we need more info before you can move forward. Jim could be anybody. The Leader’s dad etc.
Zeno said
Thanks for your concern King Hulk. I am fine. Is everything ok with you? I am planning on reading more micronauts. Also wanted to mention the Nightmare going into Rann’s mind and doing it with Bruce about 2-3 years later. It occured to me this could be more than conicidence. My other theory is that the Hiro’s race from Planet Hulk originally came from one of the Microverse races. I will reread the worldbreaker stuff that has been written. Those legends probably came from somewhere. Please tell me your thoughts on this.
King Hulk Marco said
Hi Zeno, I hope you had a great weekend break. Here, the weather was quite windy and a bit cold. It as improved somewhat. In answer to your questions, I have met a fellow comic fan (who is quite knowledgeable about all things Micronauts) and ask his advice. Are you ok?
Zeno said
Hi King Hulk. How are you doing? I haven’t been on because of computer problems. There are a few things for us to talk about. First. maybe your Micronauts friend could answer a question for me. What happened to Acroyear’s people in current Marvel contiunity? Did they find a new planet after Spartak was destoryed? I found more Micronatus connections with the Hulk I will discuss in a future article. Tell me what he says.
King Hulk Marco said
Hi Zeno,
Welcome back sir!!!!!
You have been missed, the gentleman in question is currently on jury duty so I haven’t had a chance to speak to him in a while. Soon as he becomes available I will ask.
Zeno said
The reason for my question you may have guessed. I am wondering if the the Shadow People such as Hiro are desendents of Acroyear’s race. His race was dark skinned but they had albino’s such as as Acroyear’s brother. Perhaps they are a mutant off shot of that race,with pale white skin. This would explain how they know about the old power and had the technology to use it.
King Hulk Marco said
Well according to Pak & Reed all your questions regarding the Shadow people will be answered in the upcoming Dark Son storyline.
So stay tuned my friend!
Zeno said
Also,Greg Pak brought back Professor Promeateus, in War Machine. He was supposedly lost in the microverse way back in Micronauts 44. Another Micronauts/Mantlo connection.
King Hulk Marco said
This proves my point – it is all part of the plan.
This upcoming storyline is (allegedly) laying the groundwork for something big.
Since you have been away Marvel have unleashed 3 Maestro’s in the Marvel Universe.
The original I would imagine is coming back soon.
The second Maestro is the Hulk from the Next Avengers : Heroes of Tomorrow DVD. He is currently teaming up with Kang against The Avengers.
The third Maestro is the Hulk’s third son, Robert Bruce Banner Jr. First seen in the Old Man Logan series as a baby, then as a young adult in the The Fantastic Force miniseries. Now as a bad guy in the current Fantastic Four series.
King Hulk Marco said
Also, I have spoken to Jameson today to provide links regarding the two big events that have happened from Marvel over the last few days. Both events were covered in depth by newsarama. So I have asked for the links to come from newsarama. 1). Marvel are doing Vampires vs X-Men. Why is this important? Answer – The variant covers. One cover shows Red Hulk as Dracula. This is for Hulk #26. Which means the title will go on beyond Hulk #25 which people thought would be the last issue of that series. 2). Jeph Loeb has been given a new job at Marvel. which involves bringing Marvel super heroes to tv. Either as animated or live action. People are already calling for Power Man & Iron Fist live action tv show. Also, more direct straight to DVD features ie, Planet Hulk, Ultimate Avengers etc.
dailypop said
Here are the two links you asked about, Marco: http://www.newsarama.com/tv/jeph-loeb-talks-marvel-tv-100629.html and http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=36447
King Hulk Marco said
Bear in mind I recently asked Marvel to not to sack Jeph Loeb but keep him on indefinitely. The reasons I made clear on the the http://www.bannerknows.com blog at Marvel. What a strange coincedence!
King Hulk Marco said
Thanks Jameson, it is much appreciated. Saw your other email this morning, am much impressed. Jack Kirby was a genius!
Zeno said
The second issue of Darkstar and the Winter Guard came out today. The Dire Wraith connection is important,as I predicted. Maybe I will do a review of this first if that is ok with you Dailypop. The Presence may well be the missing genius I have mentioned. More on this later.
King Hulk Marco said
Zeno my friend,
You can do no wrong in my eyes, you can do as you please.
Please check out the above links that I asked Jameson to put on his site for you to see.
The links cover Jeph Loeb’s new promotion and new pay rise within Marvel. Which is something I did ask Marvel to do a while ago. Either it is sheer coincedence or someone is paying attention.
The other is more important, Marvel are doing Mutants vs Vampires. One of the variant covers show Red Hulk as Dracula for the upcoming Hulk issue #26. Which means that title does not end just at #25. Which is good news!
I do hope to see your reviews on this site, I await with baited breath with what you will produce.
PS I have tried to get in contact with Paul Jenkins but, I have had no joy! He doesn’t appear to have a website and neither does Jeph Loeb surprisingly.
I shall ask Jeff if he knows how.
King Hulk Marco said
Just left a comment on Jeff’s site.
Just need to await a response.
Zeno said
King Hulk,if you read the Darkstar and the Winter Guard issue then you saw the final page. The flying creatures are called Deathwings. Here is a link about them.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/comics/Rom/enemies/creatures.shtml#Deathwings
King Hulk Marco said
I did,
But, I didn’t know much about the Deathwings/Dire Wraiths/Space kinghts etc.
The only Rom story I ever read was in a reprint involving a team-up between Rom and the Thing.
Rom wasn’t to well known when I was a child growing up. Only found out about him later
Zeno said
David Gallaher does not have a web site either. He has been answering questions about the recent issue on a web site whose link I do not have at the moment. The only negative thing I can say about this issue is that is connected with Immortus indirectly. The continuity of Kang/Immortus is so convoluted that is hard to know how this can work.
King Hulk Marco said
That doesn’t really surprise me,
Gallagher did an interview recently promoting this mini series. That did not provide any links to contact him directly either.
I would be grateful (when you can) to share that link with me either here or through my personal email address which you now have.
King Hulk Marco said
I have got a response from Jeff. Sadly it isn’t to good but, I have tried to get around that. See link to see what I mean :-
http://www.parkerspace.com/2010/06/29/preview-atlas-3/#comment-9841
Zeno said
King Hulk my friend,more interesting news. I was rereading the the Hercules funeral two parter last night. When Banner takes objects out of his bag one is called the “old power taser”. Remember when he zaped the Red Hulk? We should have been wondered what could do that. This means the old power can counteract the power cosmic. Also Nightmare is now in Bruce’s lab.
King Hulk Marco said
Zeno my friend,
Are you sure you are not a plant from Marvel? You are becoming more spookily accurate with each passing day!
This is awesome! It is proving your theory.
Zeno said
No I should be that lucky to work for Marvel. Having second thoughts about the Shadow People/Acroyear race theory because of the time factor. Of course a wormhole could have taken them back in time so they were on Skaar years before,but then that leads to new problems. Still trying to see if this enigma force stuff can be tied into Darkstar’s series.
Zeno said
King Hulk,here is something that will interest you. Remember your theory about the Ryker creating new Hulks? There is a interesting line in the Bucky/Talbot story where Talbot is prisoner and Winter Guard/Bucky asks him “who are the scientists involved in replicating the accident?” Good work.
King Hulk Marco said
I am sure that if anybody can connect the Enigma Force with the Darkstar mini series it is you. I have faith in you young man!
Regarding your kind words, what can I say other than I am inspired by you.
Keep up the good work.
PS I am currently assisting a young man by the name of Joe Ward who writes and draws his own independent comics. He is trying to get his stuff out there to a wider audience.
This is a sample of Joe’s work (he does do commissions by the way)
with a picture of the very cool guy. He draws under the name of captainsnikt. NOTE – His email address is included if you want to contact the guy.
http://captainsnikt.deviantart.com/
Check out his pics in his gallery especially those of Kurt Russell as Wolverine and Clint Eastwood as Wolverine (Old man Logan anybody?). Also his take of Michael Biehn (The Terminator and Aliens) as Cable is pretty damn good).
Also Joe does hand made sculpts. You want it he makes it. Check this out.
http://www.figurerealm.com/viewcustomprofile.php?UID=4666
Zeno said
King Hulk I found David Gallaher is answering questions relating to the current Darkstar issue on comic book resource. There was a reference to Marvel Two in One 10 he mentioned. That and 9 are the only issues Claremont wrote of the series. This is before he was famous for X-Men. The first 9 issues of the series all plotted by Gerber are good.
King Hulk Marco said
Good stuff Zeno! Do you have a link for it? PS Have you now got your own website? I can see that your name is now highlighted in blue.
Zeno said
I will get the link to the discussion forum. No,I don’t have a website I just noticed what you meant. It said deleted under website. Not sure why.
Zeno said
King Hulk the link is below. This is to the most recent post Notice what Gallaher says about AIM and Russia. Interesting in light of our talks.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=329655&page=3
King Hulk Marco said
My God Zeno you have done it again!!!!!
Next there will be reports of you walking on water and turning water into wine!
This is fantastic!!!!
We must try and contact this gentleman ASP!
Zeno said
By the way I wanted to mention I had read Marvel two in one 10 for the first time a few weeks ago. So it is interesting that reference,which I missed by the way,was in this issue. Black Widow’s boyfriend,the villian of the story never made another appearance.
Zeno said
Starlight,the Presence’s girlfriend is with Vanguard’s group. The Presence brought his son Vanguard back by shrinking himself to sub atomic size. Not sure if he was in the microverse. Starlight is now Vanguard’s girlfriend. Vanguard is basically her stepson. This is turning into a Jerry Springer episode. Maybe these are imposters or alternate universe characters.To paraphrase one of them,”This looks like the right era”. Odd thing to say if they were in limbo. Why wouldn’t they think Immortus had them in the right era?
King Hulk Marco said
That doesn’t surprise me. Comic creators have been creating characters for one off stories for years, it is such a waste. The Starlight / Vanguard thing is a bit odd. I agree.
Zeno said
I was looking for something to tie these things together with the Hulk titles. The pieces still do not totally fit together. I am open suggestions King Hulk. One new idea I had is that The Presence could be a combination of Gamma/Power Cosmic like Red Hulk. He exposed himself to gamma radiation to become the Presence but maybe also the power cosmic. Hence he became red skinned. Do you think Monica Rappincini will play a part in either story?
King Hulk Marco said
Well, it is a possibilty. She has been used a lot over the last 12 months. Regarding The Presence he could well be the missing genius from the list that you mentioned. We definitely need to submit this to David Gallaher. What do you think? Also, how about The Presence being the initial test subject to marry Cosmic Rays to Gamma Rays? MODOK planted those commands in Sergei’s mind like he did with Betty to transform her into The Harpy. He then perfected the technique with The Leader’s help on General Ross. What do you think?
Zeno said
That is pretty good. The Harpy Modok story appeared in the early 70s I think. Engleheart wrote that. I am not big fan of this story unlike alot of Hulk fans. Anyways the Presence was in David Anthony Kraft written and Keith Griffin drawn story. That was sometime in the late 70s. Modok might have met Darkstar in the Champions/Iron Man team up in the Iron Man annual. I think it was 4. Or she had been passed out and stayed in the jet and never actually met. Not sure. Must read it again.
Zeno said
Just discovered something interesting King Hulk. You know that medallion Each of the Darkstar’s is given. Here is a photo of it and given by their teacher Professor Phobos. It’s from another Mantlo story.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/phobospiotr.htm
Maybe Phobos was a dire wraith. They replaced quite a few Russians officals in ROM.
Zeno said
Also think I solved the mystery of Vanguard and the dimesion hoping ex-winter guard. They are exiles similar to the old comic which I never read. It not only fits the MO but alternate reality Darkstars and Vanguards were seen in that very comic.
Zeno said
Also think I solved the mystery of Vanguard and the dimension hoping ex-winter guard. They are exiles similar to the old comic which I never read. It not only fits the MO but alternate reality Darkstars and Vanguards were seen in that very series.
Zeno said
Interestingly the Forbidden Zone radiation created a giant ameboa in the old Defenders story. The Presence irradiated Igor into a ameboa like monster. This is the Igor who helped create the Hulk. This could be very important. Maybe due to guilt he was trying to stop a new plan of the Presence. Here is another idea. Like Bruce Banner,The Presence was a brilliant Nuclear scientist. And still is. The creation of the Hulk itself could have been planned by him way back then. Maybe working with AIM Monica and he planned for him to steal Banner’s documents. The Hulk creation part was unexpected but the Gargoyle was already mutated and this inspired him and Monica to try more subjects. That was why the wanted the Gamma bomb. Historically he is the first person who gained powers from gamma rays. He did not know that his children were alive then.
King Hulk Marco said
Good work Zeno, more information can be obtained on good old wikipedia. Also, according to my research (and Marvel) the first character to gain super powers via exposure to Gamma Rays was the villain The Zombie-Master. Charcter created in the late 30′s early 40′s by Timely Comics. I think he may have been a Communist agent. Will have to check and let you know.
Zeno said
Oh yeah,I remember you telling me about that. I mentioned Monica Raccpini’s daughter Scorpion having green hair and Amadeus said that might mean she was Bruce’s daughter. I pointed out Bruce wasn’t exposed to gamma rays yet,since he was in college. That was a early talk of ours from December or January.
Zeno said
King Hulk,I found a link to the Zombie Master on Marvel Appendix. It is from 2005 so it may be missing some information. They say he could be a result of gamma rays but this has never been verified. Has Marvel come out said that he was a product of gamma rays in a later story or handbook?
King Hulk Marco said
Morning Zeno, apologies for the lateness in my response. Am still having work done at my house. The builder’s didn’t leave until late. After they left did try to find that handbook had no joy. Will try again when I get home from work. How have you been keeping?
Zeno said
I am fine. Have things been good with you? I was wondering if you have the Marvel handbook from 2009,I assume that is where they said it was gamma rays that created the zombie. This was a retcon on the part of whoever the writer was. I talk more with you tonight if your available.
King Hulk Marco said
I am glad that you well my friend. I have tried to find that handbook that contains the information regarding the Zombie Master but I have had no joy. I will continue to search for it though. Good news! If you look at this website’s homepage you will discover that Gary Miller has had his first article published on this site. It is rather good! Do read it when you can. It is the history of the Spider-Man clone Kaine.
King Hulk Marco said
More good news. The chap from my local LCS as agreed to help us. Can you please be so kind as to email me any questions you may have regarding The Mironauts, Rom, Captain Universe etc and I will report back what he says. I did try and show him the question but I couldn’t find it due to much information on this blog.
Zeno said
King Hulk,the only question that I would have was the one about Acroyear’s race. Did they ever settle on another planet? And have they been heard from since
the cancellation of the Micronaut’s series. It has been unusually hard to find any information on the internet about this.
King Hulk Marco said
Lastly, I would be only too happy to speak to later. Please look after yourself.
King Hulk Marco said
Leave it with me and I will ask him next Thursday. Have you had a chance yet to read Gary Miller’s article? If so, what did you think?
Zeno said
Haven’t read Gary’s article yet but I like his blog. As for the new enigma force series I have some ideas. Nightmare once tried to destroy the enigma force in Micronauts 29 so he may play a role. He is at Bruce’s lab right now. Onto Jarella’s world. If you read the Son of Hulk mini series you know the enigma force nullifer and other technology exists in Jarella’s world so it was once more advanced. The fact that it was once more advanced was seen way back Archie Goodwin’s Hulk, 156,. It wasn’t talked about again except in Peter B. Gills what if Jarella had lived story. One possible exception being a few lines in 352 with Peter David,it hinted technology was used to teleport the Hulk. Do you remember that?
Zeno said
King Hulk I need to ask one more favor from you. Do you who the character is in this picture. Can’t seem to figure him out now. Here is the link to picture.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/bba4a7ai5790/prv5790_pg6.jpg
Zeno said
In the next story after 156 Psycklops comes back. In fact it seems he was there since the end of 140 where the Dark Gods put him as punishment. Did he create the enigma force nullifier there? It is possible. One thing I noticed is that almost every time the Hulk visited Jarella’s world his return home accidently caused havoc to the planet. Did the legend of the the savior who was also the Worldbreaker come from stories from the microverse about this? What do you think King Hulk?
Zeno said
While I am on the subject of the microverse there is one more connection I had been meaning to mention. In the Micronauts comic Professor Prometasus was seen half alive only to fall into a pit that lead the microverse. This was the last he was ever seen until Greg Pak had him appear in War Machine working for HAMMER. This is the only time he has been seen since. Either that was a robot of him who fell into the pit or he was discovered in the microverse and brought back to life by someone. I would say AIM but he is working for HAMMER. King Hulk,any ideas?
King Hulk Marco said
Hi Zeno,
The character is caled the Blue Marvel. Here are some links you will find useful. He is on par with if not stronger than The Sentry. Check this out :-
http://marvel.wikia.com/Adam_Brashear_(Earth-616)
http://www.comicvine.com/blue-marvel/29-57033/
http://www.mania.com/grevioux-talks-blue-marvel_article_112415.html
Blue Marvel vs The Sentry
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=253719
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/blue-marvel-vs-sentry/392244/
Zeno said
King Hulk, Thanks for on the Blue Marvel. It is a interesting idea.
King Hulk Marco said
In regards to Hulk being both saviour and worldbreaker due to his time in the Microverse this is (now) entirely possible. It is something that is due to be covrered in the Dark Son storyline.
Professor Prometasus is a character I am not familiar with, I would need more information about him. Sorry!
Try and read Gary’s article when you can, it is quite good.
Psycklops creating the enigma force nullifier is a possibility, would have to check my omnibus editions and see what they say.
Grey Hulk in the Microverse in Peter David’s run? Hell yeah I remember that. It has been hinted throughout that that the people from Jarella’s world were once great scientists and they lost it, entered their equivalent of the Dark Ages and went in to magic. The science was always about, hidden below the surface.
Hopefully, this will be covered soon.
Zeno said
King Hulk, I got your email and will reply to it. Here is a question for you. Do you have username at comic book resource? If you do then you would you give a David Gallaher a link to this page or at least metion some of the questions I have asked? The only thing is is that you not give my email address to him or anyone else for the time being.
King Hulk Marco said
Trust me Zeno, I am the soul of discretion, I don’t give out people’s personal details without that person’s consent. I haven’t joined cbr but I will do so if it will help our cause. The only reason I am asking for you to submit your questions directly is that it is easier for me to locate and get them answered. Question for you, what other comics do you collect?
Zeno said
Outside of the Hulk related titles not alot. Batman is another character whom I used to read but after Bruce Wayne was no longer Batman I quit following the title. I still like many of the older Batman stuff. By older I mean from the period when Frank Robbins and Denny O’neil took the character back to the darknight detective version that is the prototype for
most characterizations of Batman since. I also recently discovered Bob Hanley’s work on Brave and the Bold which is better than I thought.
Zeno said
Also sometimes Spider-Man. I read recently alot of old Marvel Team ups from Bill Mantlo through Claremont and a good portion of J M Dematties later run on that title. Steve Ditko’s work on Amazing Spider-Man of course the definitive version of the character. Romita and Lee were ok but not as good.We have mentioned old issues of Marvel Two in one,which I like Rom and Micronauts I’m still searching for many issues.By the way Micronauts 30-35 particulary 31 and 35 go into detail about the creation of the Microverse. Dr Strange is also one of my favorites and someday I hope to collect all of his different series.
King Hulk Marco said
Until recently I collected most of Marvel’s titles and some of the Star Wars titles at Dark Horse. I still do that though I to have started to collect some of the Batman (and Batman related titles). Also Dynamite who are awesome the Super Powers stuff is amazing as is The Green Hornet. I have started to collect both the new Predator and Alien stuff again from Dark Horse. It as been quite good. I have the new Predator movie and I quite enjoyed it. I will get in contact with David Gallaher over the weekend touch wood.
Zeno said
I think it is nice that David Gallaher is answering questions on the internet for fans. Do you know if Scott Reed ever did the same thing?I would like to ask him some questions about the Son of Hulk mini Series. Particulary about the Enigma Force.
King Hulk Marco said
I agree. I do think we could probably get Mr Gallaher to come here. Anyway, I have checked my omnibus and I can’t see any mention of Psyklops creating that enigma force nullifer. Though to be fair I don’t think I have it. I do own the first 5 volumes. Doesn’t appear to be in there. Also Mr Reed did a fantastic interview at http://www.marvel.com to promote the Hiro Kala Realm of Kings tie-in. I don’t know if Mr Reed does those kind of interviews. It is something worth looking at. Good news! I have finally started to read Greg Pak’s free newsletter. It is okay. Nothing too special.
Zeno said
King Hulk, I have to share this with you. It is from those Ask the Leader Questions that Newsarama did.
Sharpness: I was also interested on what the Leader’s position is on hats… and will we see any gamma powered creations that we’ve thought either destroyed or forgotten?
Leader: See the last tale in the “World War Hulks” #1 one-shot.
The last tale is a Deadpool tale,Nobody there. Maybe they were thinking of another story. The Gremlin was in one story. The Hulk robot isn’t gamma powered it’s destruction will not count. The Gremlin is the only one left. Anyone else I might have missed?
Zeno said
Wayfinder and the founders of the microverse created the Engima Force nullifer. I went back and read the series. Can’t believe I forgot that. race should actually be dead according to the Marvel Appendix. They said the Master Edition of the Marvel Handbook said his race died off. Of course Marvel maybe just chose to ignore this.
King Hulk Marco said
Sorry! I meant to say that I have finally started to receive Greg Pak’s newsletter.
King Hulk Marco said
I remember that one-shot. Best story was Hulk becoming the new herald of Galactus. I don’t think they mentioned anybody else. We only have 2 months to ago before the story that will ‘change the Hulk universe forever’, which will be answering all there old plotlines (alledgedly). Don’t beat yourself over the fact that you forgot that info from the old Micronauts storyline. Me? I wouldn’t have a clue.
Zeno said
King Hulk, I believe they meant the issue from a few months ago called World War Hulks that had all those different stories,including two Talbolt stories. The only believed dead person or missing gamma radiated person was the Gremlin in any of those stories. Jen Walters was already accounted for earlier.
I think it is a hint that the Gremlin is still alive and is coming back. Remember we only have the government’s word that he was killed in that suit.
King Hulk Marco said
PS The Maestro that is teaming up with Kang might be the original. Though I am at loss to explain how as they say in another breathe that it is The Maestro from that future. Go figure!
Zeno said
King Huk,I have more to discuss with you. I just bought some old ROMs and Micronauts issues. There are more ideas you find interesting.
King Hulk Marco said
My friend, I am always interested in whatever you have to say. I am currently helping my partner organise her children’s birthday party for tomorrow. So I will try and contact David Gallaher later today. Also, I think I will email Ratchet to see how he is. I gather from what as been said something bad as happened.
King Hulk Marco said
Hi Zeno,
Here as promised is proof that I have sent a link from theis site to Mr David Gallaher
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=11598069#post11598069
David Gallaher said
Hello,
David Gallaher here! I do have a website — davidgallaher.com where you can contact me directly.
King Hulk Marco said
Thank you Mr Gallaher,
You sir are a prince. Myself and my friend Zeno have been trying to find your website for a while now and has you can see we haven’t been very successful.
Zeno and myself are a couple of old time comic fans who enjoy talking the breeze about how modern writers like your good self incorporate classic storylines, characters and the like in your new stories.
We are both grateful for the for pleasure you bring to us and to fans everywhere with your wonderful stories.
Would you happen to know if two of your fellow writer’s Jeph Loeb and Paul Jenkins have websites of their own too?
David Gallaher said
I’m still getting my bearings in the conversation, but I did want to address this:
>>Starlight,the Presence’s girlfriend is with Vanguard’s group. Starlight is now Vanguard’s girlfriend. Vanguard is basically her stepson. This is turning into a Jerry Springer episode. >>
Yes, but not quite. As it was revealed several other places, Starlight was manipulated by the Presence — a victim of his powers. Yes, she is with Vanguard now — and yes it makes for an awkward family reunion, but Vanguard treats her well and they are in love.
>>Maybe these are imposters or alternate universe characters.To paraphrase one of them,”This looks like the right era”. Odd thing to say if they were in limbo. Why wouldn’t they think Immortus had them in the right era?>>
Remember, Starlight later said that time passes differently in Limbo, which is something that was established in AVENGERS.
Zeno said
Thanks,Dave. Interesting point. I had not read the Avengers stories where they were in limbo. There are a few things that I am wondering. According to ROM 65 all of the Dire Wraith’s magical powers came from the Dark Nebula,which he banished.It makes me wonder if Fanstama,is someone we have seen before. A character not seen since the 80s? I will not give it away but it seems it could be her. Second,does the darkforce power stem partially from the gem? If so was this true of the original Darkstar also?
Zeno said
Dave,I hope you were not offended by that Jerry Springer comment. I have enjoyed this current series as well the Winter Guard one shot from last November. You have done your research on these characters. I am still missing the last appearances of the Presence before Hulk Winter Guard. Interesting character.
King Hulk Marco said
Mr Gallaher,
I am still speechless to have you here. I want to say that both myself and my friend Zeno (has well as the gentleman who runs this site called Dailypop) will be checking your site now on a regular basis.
Again sir, thank you!
David Gallaher said
You are very welcome.
>>Would you happen to know if two of your fellow writer’s Jeph Loeb and Paul Jenkins have websites of their own too?>>
no I don’t, sorry.
King Hulk Marco said
That is fine,
I wanted to ask now that Jeph Loeb has been promoted within Marvel would you be interested in filling his shoes as a member of The Hulk Brain Trust?
Currently, the membership consits of Greg Pak, Jeff Parker and with both Fred Van Lente and the Peter David in reserve. If memory serves me, Scott Reed has now been asked to join due to the fact that he will be joining Greg Pak in writing the next big story arc Dark Son Rising.
The reason why I mention this is because you are such a dynamic, patient writer that I can see you creating some truly memorable stories within the Hulk Universe.
David Gallaher said
>>Dave,I hope you were not offended by that Jerry Springer comment. I have enjoyed this current series as well the Winter Guard one shot from last November>>
Not at all offended, just clarifying.
David Gallaher said
>>According to ROM 65 all of the Dire Wraith’s magical powers came from the Dark Nebula,which he banished.It makes me wonder if Fanstama,is someone we have seen before. A character not seen since the 80s? I will not give it away but it seems it could be her. >>
We discuss the source of her powers next issue. Fastasma was raised as a foundling, forced to live in a human world, manipulated, and later recruited by the RESC. We address the source of her powers next issue. That -could- gel with who you are thinking, but it’d take some work.
>>Second,does the darkforce power stem partially from the gem? If so was this true of the original Darkstar also?>>
The gem controls the powers — (and unknown to others it houses Laynia’s essence) — the powers actually come from an infusion of Laynia’s DNA.
Zeno said
Ok,so Fantasma is not going to revealed as someone else we already know next issue? Regarding Darkstar,that fits with what we learned in the Winter Guard one shot about her power. Just making sure.
I take it there is going to be a Hulk connection in the next issue. This guess is based on the fact that the August solicits list issue 3 under the Hulk titles.
Zeno said
Also,November’s issue very strongly hinted that her essence was in the gem. I would not be shocked if that unknown narrator is her from the future,after she came back at some point. The body of the narrator is that of a of a woman or child. Maybe the Gremlin. I have speculated before he is still alive.
Zeno said
My suspicion has been that Fanstama’s powers are either directly or indirectly are connected to the gem. I could be wrong about that. I have also wondered if Professor Phobos,who gave her the gem,was a Dire Wraith or worked for them. We know the Wraiths,had government positions before ROM came to earth. Also the Presence knows her essence is in the Gem,if nobody else. Correct?
David Gallaher said
>>I wanted to ask now that Jeph Loeb has been promoted within Marvel would you be interested in filling his shoes as a member of The Hulk Brain Trust?>>
If I was invited? Sure.
I’ve got a slew of creator-owned properties like High Moon and Box 13 to finish first
If you like what you’ve seen in Winter Guard, please check out those titles too!
King Hulk Marco said
Well Mr Gallaher that might be happening!
Zeno said
King Hulk,thanks again from brining Mr Gallaher here. I will reply to your emails soon.
King Hulk Marco said
No problem Zeno, I did make it clear to Mr Gallaher that I contacted him on your say so. So you do get the kudos for that. Also I am really trying to pull something so that the three of us can gain something from this. I truly believe that the three of us are destined for great things. That is no bull. The stuff that happened yesterday does not happen everyday. Also the stuff that I asked for from Marvel over the last few months? I practically got everything I wanted! Jeff doing Hulk? Check! Red Hulk an Avenger? Check! Jeph Loeb staying indefinitely at Marvel? Check!
dailypop said
It is a remarkably good day to be a Hulk fan.
David Gallaher said
>>Also the Presence knows her essence is in the Gem,if nobody else. Correct?>>
Yes.
The third issue isn’t as complex as you are making it, but I do have long range goals for these characters.
The Winter Guard (like the Agents of Atlas) are in the Hulk office — and are considered Hulk characters. Hulk doesn’t appear.
Zeno said
David,I didn’t think the Hulk was actually going to appear in the next issue. I thought the events were connected to the current story in the Hulk titles.
Or part of the Hulk’s past. The Igor connection is interesting. Perhaps he was working with Igor and the Gremlin in Hulk 1. So is the fact of the AIM base near the forbidden zone. There may be a missing genius on Modok and Leader’s list. The Presence could be him. I said this a while back.