What makes a Doctor (Who)?
Posted by dailypop on January 7, 2009
For a role that is over 40 years old and had over 12 actors play the part (including Peter Cushing back in the 1960′s theatrical releases and Richard E. Grant in the weird online animated series just to name two), there really are many options open for an actor to pursue. With so much diversity, how can you really nail down what makes the Doctor the character that he is? Some fans would argue that by the program’s nature he is not a consistent character and that is certainly valid.
However, allowing for some wiggle room from the production team, there must be some set of character traits that are viewed as ‘Doctor-ish.’ In my opinion, though, the current series Doctor is an entirely different character from the Classic Doctor Who, sharing very few of the consistent traits that I think of as essential.
It’s important to note that since I wrote this article, it has gained a strong response from fans of both the old and new series. I had intended the article to be a broad analysis of the character in preparation of Doctor No. 11, but as I wrote it started to become clear why Doctor No. 10 does not work for me and why the new series functions far better as its own entity. There are many fans who do not share this point of view who appreciate both the classic and new versions, but in my view the more I watch both the more disparate they become. There is also the matter of perspective.
During one instance when David Tennant’s performance as the Doctor came under fire on a message board, one fan pointed out that Tom Baker generated a massive negative response from fans when he first arrived, transforming the heroic role that Jon Pertwee had developed into something comical. I don’t know how much truth there is to that statement, but it is definitely food for thought.
As such, I ask that you bear all this in mind as you read my thoughts on what makes this character who he is.
Uncanny intelligence- With a 500 year diary in one hand and a leash leading to robot dog containing a vast database of information in the other there seems to be little that the Doctor doesn’t know. Despite the fact that we are told on several occasions that he scored very poorly in school, the Doctor knows so much about the history of the universe that you often wonder why he even bothers with the robot dog (I know that I wondered).
This intelligence was at one time played up as a kind of cosmic omniscience, making the Doctor into some kind of grand manipulator (see the McCoy era and the TV movie).
The Doctor of the new series knows everything and anything that the writer knows but seems far more obsesses with tabloid magazines, pop bands and cult movies. Honestly, I never thought I’d see the Doctor sing the Ghost Busters theme song or call out the Master for being gay. Maybe the Doctor lost a large portion of his intelligence during the Time War?
An alien persona- Straight from the first episode we are exposed to the idea that the Doctor is not one of us. He obeys a different set of standards as far as morals and operates on a different plane of right and wrong. This is essential given the fact that he dispatches alien menaces so often. The best examples of this alien-ness appears in Tom Baker’s ‘lost bohemian’ Doctor and oddly enough Colin Baker’s brash and inconstant Doctor. But it must be said that it all stems from the masterful performance from William Hartnell who so perfectly nails the part right out the gate that it still impresses me to this day.
The First Doctor is unlike anyone we had ever seen before.
This alien-ness is often played up as being quirky (see the entirety of David Tennant’s performance) and loses any of the subtlety that the other actors have imbued the role with over the years. Just look at Troughton’s touching scene with Victoria in Tomb of the Cybermen and compare it to this image from Idiot’s Lantern. The current Doctor does things that make little sense possibly to hint at his alien nature but it ends up looking more like a British answer to Jim Carey on ecstasy who reacts to everything as if he has just noticed it and it’s all so very amazing and fantastic.

A wanderer through space and time- The Doctor is constantly on the move and this has to be addressed in the context of the program. If the character is without a reason to be traveling, the plot has to accommodate with some kind of plot contrivance (getting Ian and Barbara/Tegan back home). In some adventures the Doctor appears to be investigating a mystery that has long eluded him, in others he is answering a summons for help but he always moving and for a reason. Tom Baker’s era fluctuated madly for why he was going from planet to planet, but his very performance allowed the viewer to let it go. Tom himself seemed to be wandering about, perhaps looking for himself.
This wanderlust angle was played up surprisingly well in the first season the new Doctor Who as Chris Eccleston seemed to be incapable of being still lest he deal with his immediate tragic past. The following three seasons have given very little reason for the Doctor to move from point to point as evidenced by David Tennant’s Doctor taking Rose to see Ian Drury and the Blockheads (seriously, who thought of that gem!?).
In the 25th and 26th seasons of the classic program the Doctor was taking care of a kind of laundry list of loose ends as he eliminated foe after foe. This really impressed me at the time simply because it was so novel but really raises some serious questions about the Doctor’s motives.
Ingenious inventor/freedom fighter- In Sydney Newman’s pitch for the character of Doctor Who back in 1963, he described the Doctor as a both despising technology and being an inventor. This is a fantastic character trait that has long appealed to me. The Doctor is capable of putting together a weapon to confuse the Daleks out of anything the BBC programming budget can give him yet he absolutely hates societies reliant on technology. In fact, it can be said that his mission is to free cultures from oppression of any kind, including dependence on others.
The third Doctor was one of the most inventive incarnations, as evidenced by his endless series of gadgets thrown together during his exile on Earth. He also staunchly stood up against ‘the man’ even though he was working with the United Nations at the time. It always struck me as poor writing that Pertwee’s Doctor was such a reactionary while paradoxically part of the military, but in retrospect I think it was rather sophisticated. It hinted at the truth that we all have to work together to get the job done.
David Tennant, on the other hand, relies almost exclusively on the sonic screwdriver which is capable of more extraordinary things from week to week.In addition, Tennant destroys anything and anyone that gets in his way no matter what their story is. This lack of any hands-on inventiveness coupled with a lack of any moral conscience at all has greatly soured my enjoyment of the new program.

Not what he seems- You can roll this into the alien persona, I suppose, but most of the Doctors have two ‘faces,’ if you will. Tom Baker was mad and serious all at once (and such a magnificent actor that he could pull off both). Peter Davison came off as young and inexperienced when in reality he was a wise and brave soul far more powerful than he let on. The best examples of this double personality trait are Patrick Troughton and Sylvester McCoy who are both slight people seeming to offer no resistance whatsoever but underneath the shy facade lies another person entirely. We see this in Evil of The Daleks where the Doctor willingly subjects Jamie to testing by the Daleks and in The Curse of Fenric where the Doctor plays on Ace’s emotions to gain the upper hand on the villain. Admittedly, McCoy’s performance was in large part an homage to Troughton, but there it is.
Bad examples of this ‘I’m not what you think I am’ are rife in the Russel T Davies regime and mainly due to the poor quality of the scripts. If the lame dialogue in the 1988 adventure Silver Nemesis ‘Doctor, who are you?’ didn’t make you roll your eyes, the incessant reminders that the Doctor is a ‘lonely God’ and is ‘like fire’ surely will. Apparently this new Doctor is a walking poem just waiting to be found in some teenager’s diary.
In addition to telling you how great the Doctor is, the scripts are grossly inconsistent, making him both a miraculous hero and an obnoxious clown. These inconsistent moments can be narrowed down to RTD scripts but when this is the influence of the head writer, it tends to seep into almost every episode. If the program is honestly intent on presenting this dichotomy of character, that’s all well and good to want to introduce some dynamics, but you should have some faith in your audience to decide what they think rather than just telling them.You can do this by action rather than a radio drama-like narration just telling the viewers how astounding the Doctor is while Tennant pouts up at the stars or just acts like an ass as the companion giggles.

Why not just show us how amazing he is? Why not give him humorous dialog? The program is capable of this but hardly consistent and leans far too heavily on others proclaiming how great the Doctor is on sight. In the words of Mystery Science Theatre 3000′s Tom Servo ‘This is a MOTION picture, remember?’
A prince in exile- For all of his friendliness and down-to-Earth qualities that he exudes, the Doctor is not one of ‘us.’ By that I’m not referring to his alien origins but more to his aristocratic demeanor. It is this quality that allows him to saunter through military bases like he owns the place and namedrop kings and queens to anyone he meets. Some may call this arrogance, but I think it comes from who he is rather than how he is behaving, leading me to think that even amongst his own people he is both an outcast and a recognized superior (sure Tom Baker’s 4th Doctor is often treated as a joke, but he also singler-handedly saves the universe by deciphering Gallifreyan lore with just a few clues). Colin Baker’s Doctor in particular wears this quality well, but that may just be down to his ability to take himself seriously in that terrible costume.

The only exception to this is the 9th Doctor played by Christopher Eccleston who played the role with a decidedly street-level approach. This is also adds fuel to my gut feeling that the new series was initially intended as a reboot rather than an extension to the previous program. This new Doctor is just so different to what we have seen that in my opinion it works better as its own program (much like the new Battlestar Galactica in comparison to the original).
Coupled with this character trait is the sadness that he is genuinely alone in the universe. No one, not even his own people can understand him. At best a few villains can think on his level and see the cosmic picture in a similar light, but they’re crazy. His short-term friendships with companions offer some relief but they always end with the companion moving on with their life while the Doctor is left to wander. This is a key character trait that the new program misunderstands and instead treats him as a galactic bachelor looking for the ‘right woman’ to set him straight.
Protector of the Earth- This is a tricky one.
From story to story the Doctor either hates humanity or loves humanity. He simply cannot decide. In fact at one point he was part human! But no one really likes that story so it doesn’t ‘count’ apparently. Due to the budget constraints and the limitations of the production team’s imagination, Doctor Who usually takes place on Earth… in England to be exact.
It’s like my filming a global espionage action adventure series in my home town and setting every adventure in the immediate downtown area. It’s a conceit and I can deal with it.
In any case, due to the fact that the Earth is almost always dead center in the sight of any number of alien baddie, the Doctor has to put himself in harm’s way to defend the planet. This was handled very well in the late Troughton/early Pertwee stories and while the stories became almost exactly the same (alien X invades- Doctor thwarts alien X’s plot), the tiny details and innovations were what kept it interesting.
This heroic angle was revisited in the Davison era and to some extent succeeded simply because they were playing against type. Doctor #5 was often bewildered and tripping over his three companions attempting to stop alien menaces. Not exactly action hero material. Nevertheless, Peter Davison’s Doctor showed his true colors in his final adventure where he went up against sadistic madmen and mercenaries and sacrificed all to save the life of his companion (the fact that it was Nicola Bryant didn’t hurt).
The danger is that in over-simplifying this trait the Doctor becomes a cartoon character in the same vein as Captain Planet defending nature against the horrible polluters. It makes things so cut and dry that enemies are mustache-twirling no-goodnicks that are far too laughable for even children’s entertainment. It also eliminates the moral dilemma that the Doctor faced in many earlier adventures and turns the program into a kind of ‘Earth Defense Squad’ series. It a;so turns the Doctor into a racist as he boldly defends humanity from any and all aliens with extreme prejudice (witness the Christmas Invasion) and has a laugh about it over tea. This is a far cry from the Doctor of old who often played the part of peace maker between alien races, such as Warriors of the Deep or The Silurians.
No, the new Doctor has made a direct statement to all aliens everywhere, ‘stay away from Earth or I’ll kill you’ either by jamming his sonic screwdriver in your chest, draining your children down to the center of the planet or throwing you into a star.

As many have pointed out, a lot of my criticism revolve around the writing of Doctor No. 10. I used to take the time to separate Tennant’s performance from the character as written but in the past year just gave up. When I’m speaking about the Tenth Doctor, I am of course talking about how the character has been written, as well as how he is performed.
I have noticed that the Doctor as written by RTD is more of an indestructible cartoon character telling the writer’s bad jokes, hamming it up and waltzing around villains. He’s like Daffy Duck in a suit against Daleks.
I recently found an email that I giddily wrote to a friend after watching the ‘Christmas Invasion’ in which Tennant debuted, expounding on my enjoyment of the latest version of the Doctor. In retrospect, I was quite taken with his charisma and energy but in a short time his characterization turned into that of an unwanted house guest. I laughed at his jokes but grew uncomfortable then they turned rather rude and obnoxious, then he jabbed me in the ribs and blinked when I winced, saying we were ‘mates’ even though we had just met… then he stayed the night… then he stayed four years.
… But I did like him at first.
As written by Stephen Moffatt in Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, and Silence in Library, the Doctor still has his decidedly humorous side but also has a certain bold heroic quality that struggles to break through. As head writer RTD is no doubt influencing the portrayal of the Doctor in Moffat’s scripts and imposing his cartoon hero traits, but there are some good ideas in there if you look. Doctor No. 10 may be lacking in intelligence (I just cannot forgive the new series for being so very dumb) but he comes up trumps in bold courage. When this quality of bravery in the face of adversity is used well, it really comes together.

When the heroic bravery is used poorly, the Doctor comes off as a self-appointed authority who is obviously charmed by the script as impervious to harm. Add an adoring group of companions and it’s all very obnoxious- witness the conclusion of the Christmas Invasion as ‘regular Joes’ clamor by the Doctor’s side damning the alien menace. Add RTD’s savior kick and it’s downright insulting to the audience’s intelligence- witness the glowing angelic Doctor infused by the faith of a planet forgiving the Master.
When he first arrived, I was very taken with Tennant’s exuberance (like many others I was not a fan of Eccleston’s glum shoe-gazing defeatism), but as the episodes wore on it turned into a kind of manic behavior used as exposition for lazy writers (We’re on the moon! We’re in Rome! Isn’t it FANTASTIC!’).
The awkward alien bit can work and there have been moments of success. Just look at the Doctor in the episode Fear Her (by Life on Mars creator Matthew Graham). The character is shown as awkward and unsure of his behavior, kept in check by Rose, something that really worked on screen. Compare this to the Doctor’s behavior in The Idiot’s Lantern where both he and Rose are smug and self-righteous with everyone they meet or when they have a case of the giggles over the doomed moon base crew in The Impossible Planet. This isn’t the heroic adventurer at all, just a joy-riding buffoon.
Looking at all of the varied and consistent qualities that the character possesses, what do you think are the key factors that make up a Doctor and how do you think they should be addressed as Doctor #11 Matt Smith takes the helm of the TARDIS in 2010?






Cyclopz007 said
great article!!! you definitely know your stuff. you’re a little hard on tennant but it’s understandable. i personally think he’s one of the best. it’s russel t. davies who’s the real villain. but yeah, thankx for the awesome read. keep em coming.
dailypop said
I appreciate the response. I agree to some extent that RTD is the real problem to be honest. After the brief promise of a superior performance in season 3 I deeply wanted to see Tennant as the Doctor without RTD’s steering, maybe one day we’ll get to see it.
websurfer said
I love your blog and usually agree with you, but not on Doctor Who topics and definitely not here. I love the new/revived series and find it interesting and charming. The “old school” Who is a curious relic for about 5 minutes at a time, but is largely unwatchable.
dailypop said
Well, you obviously win if that makes you feel any better since there is nothing but new Who of the RTD/Tennant variety each year and only re-released Classic Who for me to revisit on DVD.
… but New Who is still sub-par entertainment in comparison to the old. I completely understand the classic series is not for everyone and would never dream of changing someone’s opinion on what they like (though I hope to introduce many things to my readers in hope to expand their leisure time enjoyment), but the classic Doctor Who has many more laurels on its shoulders than the new. An innovator in special effects (I know, I know… they aged poorly, but think how that wheely bin burp in ‘Rose’ will look in two year’s time), electronic music, the creation of a pop culture phenomenon that was so powerful that people knew of the series without ever actually seeing it and television sci-fi writing (far bolder than any other series before or since), it accomplished so much and yet is still regarded by some as trash. I get it, I know… it’s not for everyone.
But I wager that based on an episode of the new series that you love I can find one classic story that you may like… even if only to laugh at.
And that’s not bad, is it?
In any case thanks for reading. My blog is all dead air without readers.
dailypop said
I should also clarify my enjoyment/appreciation of Classic Who. The best of the series’ stories all have the same pattern. They open with the usual conceit and if they are very good take a turn (Hey, this is a really good one!- in the case of say ‘Ark in Space’ or ‘Caves of Androzani’) and inevitably some laughably silly thing happens and you are pulled out of the greatness (is that bubble wrap- Ark in Space or is the magma creature supposed to be a monster or should I know that it’s a guy in a goofy suit??- Caves).
So I’m not completely insane here.
But in my view the new series is hampered in his reaching for the brass ring almost every time by two key ideas no matter the story: the Doctor is in love with someone he can never see again/we are on a grand adventure. These constant reminders and the insistence on the companion’s story keep many stories from being as good as they should be. Case in point, Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel or the bizarre montage of Donna’s walk home in the recent Sontaran story.
Leonie Fenton said
Are you stupid? Not only has Russel T Davies revived Doctor Who in all its glory but David Tennant is the greatest Doctor of all time!!!
dailypop said
Nope, I’m actually very informed and have cited examples for each failure of the modern remake.
Maybe we’re watching different programs.
meredith said
ok. i know im only 13 and has only seen like 1 episode from the old series but CLEARLY you are just stuck in the past and you cant except change. because, yes, there has been a LOT of change (even I can see that!) between the new and old but that change was for the BETTER! and i’ve never even read this blog or watever this is before (i just came upon this page because of a picture on google images) but because of this entry im certainly not reading it again. And i know your thinking, “wow… like im even going to listen to this little girl. She is just saying its so great because she thinks David tennant is sexy.) well YES! i do think he is sexy and im sad to see him go and i also have a HUGE oppinion on how the 11th Doctor is too youngbut watever! YOU are just a dude who was in love with the old Doctor Who and cant welcome change to an Awesome Character who is NOTHING like what you described in that entry up there ^^^
that is all (:
-love me-
-hate me-
-as long as your thinking of me-
dailypop said
It’s comments like this that make it all worthwhile, folks.
… yuck.
... said
Actually, you’ve made gross generalisations. Maybe we are watching different programs!
dailypop said
Nope. It’s the same show.
I’m actually not making generalizations at all. I’m doing the opposite by providing specific examples.
TeamSeth said
haha! Dailypop you are right. It is comments like Meredith’s that make blogs worthwhile. *grins* I too found you through google image search (so what if I can’t figure out why I find David Tennant attractive, all of his past girlfriends are smoking hot, so I’m taking consolation in that), After seeing Matt Smith, I think he’s outshone Tennant’s performance 150%. Trust me, I feel like I’m cheating on Tennant when I say that, but it’s true. I’m in the States, so I believe we get episodes a little behind you guys in the UK, but I just watched the season finale with Tennant, grabbed a bit of ice cream and went straight into the series premiere with Smith and it was night and day. Not saying Tennant’s not a good actor, just saying that perhaps Hamlet is more his thing.
Enjoyed your review. Am honest to say that I’ve not seen any Whos except some of Tennant’s and the premiere of Smith’s (with the gorgeous Karen Gillan), so I’ve little merit to go on here, but nonetheless, love Who, love the Doctor, and love both Tennant and Smith.
dailypop said
Make sure to check out my reviews for the 2010 season.
Cara said
Now personally I don’t like the Classic Who and you are being a bit harsh on Tennant. RTD has made the series more enjoyable with fast moving plot lines. Sure it may be a bit repetitive but it all of the repetition actually matters as you find out in Series 4.In some episodes of series past there is quite a few mentions of ‘The Darkness’ and in the last few episodes of Series 4 you see how important those mentions are.
dailypop said
Mentioning something several times a season and then actually having it pay off in the finale is not a sign of good writing at all, actually. This is also the exact same trick that RTD uses each year. You may not like the classic series and you’re of course free to like and dislike what you please, but the new program’s pacing is never fast, just poorly written.
Lana said
I think you were a little harsh on DT, but that aside this was an awesome article. Thanks for the read xxx
dailypop said
I think my harshness with DT is based on the fact that I was so relieved with his arrival over Eccleston back in the day and now cannot wait for him to leave (and of course he’s breaking the record of longest reigning actor in the part since Tom Baker!). As I used to state, my opinion may change in time but for now he just irritates me. I used to think it was all RTD’s influence in him but it may just be Tennant himself.
But everyone has their favorite and least favorite Doctors. Some swear by Colin Baker as the best… believe it or not.
Jordan said
I appreciate you consider yourself a “Doctor Who Fan”, but as you seem to loath the new series maybe you’d be better off pretending it doesn’t exist and stick to novels or something.
I used to love Classic Doctor Who as a child, but I can’t seem to watch them now. Just because I prefer New Who over old Who doesn;t make one or the other a failure. it makes them what they are, the same show in different times. Doctor Who and his personality reflected the period they were made in. Missing a decade or two may make the transition from Old to New more difficult but you always have the option of turning off.
dailypop said
I’d invite you to view my extensive posts on Doctor Who before judging me since I have pointed out the strengths and weaknesses of the new program in addition to my knowledge on the subject. As I have stated several times the flaw of the new program is not so much what it gets wrong but what it gets right. If it was 100% nonsense I’d have little against it but occasionally a spark of intelligence gets through RTD’s negative quality control machine.
This particular article is a rather extensive analysis of the program and what makes it tick, not a simple statement of ‘this doesn’t count because I don’t like it.’
As I have enjoyed a steady stream of visitors with similar and differing opinions, I will certainly continue to post on the subject of New Who. If you are unable to accept an opinion different from your own you may wish to stay offline and are of course free to not visit my blog and make believe it does not exist if it upsets you so much.
Iccengi said
I both agree and disagree, There are faults with the new program’s (mainly the repetition and “poetic” reminders *eyerolls*), however I also feel that the old episodes have thier faults and to be honest the critique of the new era is a bit harsh. I think you were on to something with considering them ‘almost’ two seperate series, certainly it seems thier is a vast amount of inconsitency between both as thier has been traditionally even between the old series “seasons”. I also believe it’s wise to consider that with a series that has spanned such a large timeframe as this, changes in style will occur as the mediaheads try to appeal to newer generations it should be expected and while not lauded to an extreme certainly accounted for when forming an overall judgement. You would not expect any other media to remain stagnant and oblivious to culture so why this?
dailypop said
Just to take a random ‘snap shot’ of the old program and the way in which it mirrors the era it was shown in… In the early 1970′s the program did indeed shift its focus and adapt to popular culture by integrating the gadget fetish made popular by James Bond, the reactionary peace movement and an interest in Eastern philosophy. I’m not blind to the faults of the program to anyone who is not a fan of this era so will also point out that it celebrated carmen rollers, big ass medallions and crushed velvet suits.
The program in the 1980′s is a grand opportunity to tear to shreds the reputation of the old series as being worth watching. In fact I’d venture to say that anything past season 15/16 is humoring the program and only of interest to ‘die hard fans.’
The modern program celebrates mobile phones (it was very clever in ‘The End of the World’ when the Doctor fixed Rose’s phone so she could call her mum but that’s the last clever thing they did with this idea), Heat magazine and music/movies that were popular five years before the episode was shown. It’s the ‘dumbing down’ of the program and its lack of faith in the audience to decipher and understand even slightly complex ideas that I find insulting. I’d think of this judgment as a fault in myself as a viewer if not for the sly nods in ‘Time Crash’ where the Peter Davison acknowledged that Tennant was acting as if he were mentally retarded. If this is keeping up with pop culture it says nothing good about the era that we are living in.
I accept that you can take an episode from the old series and say that it is stupid or a waste of time but you can also cite several of the classic episodes as major successes of the teledrama medium and science fiction as a genre in addition to being of interest in its own right. I don’t see that kind of track record for the new program. It’s just disposable entertainment which is harmless in itself but to connect it to Doctor Who is pretty insulting to its legacy. In short, it could be and should be so much more.
dailypop said
As I dig myself ever deeper into a rabbit hole, I should explain that I totally understand someone not liking the classic Doctor Who series. It’s goofy, asks a lot of the viewer to go along with it and features some rather dubious special effects. Even the best stories have at least one unintentionally funny moment that has you fall out of your seat laughing be it the big rat in Talons of Weng Chiang or the goofy cave monster in Caves of Androzani. I’m more surprised when I meet an intelligent person that likes the program than anything else.
That said, I just don’t understand the appeal of the new program as it is just so very dumb. I have reviewed nearly every episode since series 2 and while I gird my TV viewing loins each year the result has been the same each time. Aside from occasional flashes of promise, it devolves into hastily written nonsense with the Doctor playing the role of Space Jesus/Harry Potter in trainers. I’d never counter someone else’s opinion but I have no trouble pointing out the flaws of the program itself.
Hopefully in my passionate reviews there is no confusion between the two.
Jet Cultir said
Hello, since you seem to appreciate dialogue, thought I’d share a few thoughts. Let me preface my comments by saying that I did enjoy the old school Who, and have watched at least some of all, I believe, of the Doctors, as well as continuing to watch the current incarnation.
Your analysis is not entirely off the mark. PTD’s writing is a bit banal and fails to take advantage of all the possibilities of a very rich history. We must agree to disagree on Tennant, I’m afraid, I rather like his acting style and his very open appeal – and he certainly isn’t the first actor to be limited by a writer. However, I rather do like his portrayal of the doctor, old school Tom Baker fan that I am.
However, what I really wanted to comment on was your analysis of the current series. Now, while we do agree on the pop culture nature of the writing, I think perhaps there is one element that you are not addressing in your analysis. While you are certainly a well informed Who critic, and have done a brilliant analysis of the show in terms of the Doctor, and what makes a Doctor, etc etc, there is one more thing that makes a Doctor work and I think its what you don’t seem to like – the current entertainment and cultural trends.
The current Doctor Who series has a strong appeal for a wider base of viewers, here and now, exactly because of that pop culture element. As you yourself noted, some of the old school Who is difficult, contradictory, and very very hard for new fans to catch up to. And the older programs have a limited appeal in a society that defines its entertainment in terms of its special effects budget.
But more then that, over the last several decades, Doctor Who has been a constant and changing reflection of the issues, concerns, political climate and cultural shifts, as well as adapting to changing social mores. In a period where we have seen so many older cultural icons reinvented, from the dozens of comic books come to life to the new Star Treks and Battlestar Galactica, the new Who is a fairly consistent reflection of the reinvention trend. It’s had a facelift and an upgrade and tends towards stories and issues that reflect the more and more limited attention span of the common viewer. Now, while this may seem something of a betrayal or even an insult to die-hard Who fans, I think overall its an attempt to keep enough elements for the older fans to have something to continue with while creating an appeal that is more likely to bring in a newer and less experienced fan base. And, for that, it has done an admirable job of finding that middle ground that makes it more accessible in today’s viewer’s market.
I think, also, that the trend of moving away from a more distant companion to one with a stronger emotional involvement is part of that same trend – that while the things that make the Doctor alien are very much there, and sometimes in your face as you mentioned, that change in the style of interaction brings a slightly more humanizing factor – and one to which more viewers in today’s entertainment choices, can relate. They are not just writing a continuation of a long tradition, they are also writing to the concepts and ideals that both appeal and sell in today’s entertainment marketplace.
And, really, at least in part, that’s what the show has always done. Appealed to the age it was aired in. Just my $0.02, hope you don’t mind my sharing a few thoughts. Peace, and keep up the good writing.
- Jet
dailypop said
Thanks for the lengthy reply. I appreciate the time you put into it and the consideration for opposing views… so what are you doing online?? You belong in the UN!
I understand where you are coming from but I don’t see the new series as even being interested in reflecting current cultural mores and values. It definitely does reflect what head writer RTD finds interesting including body issues and an obsession with pop idols. In contrast, Star Trek the Next Generation was interested in reflecting the current intellectual and social landscape (at least in the USA)… not that it makes it a better show but it is a good example of using a sci-fi program to talk about the modern world and what makes it tick.
As far as developing a stronger companion, the program did attempt this in the McCoy era with Ace with mixed results. In fact, there are many similarities between the closing days of the Classic series and the New one. The difference is that the McCoy era attempted to fold the old and new together to make something different. The RTD Doctor Who is interested in dressing something new up as Doctor Who.
In the end I think that the current Dr Who is very disposable entertainment which in itself is not a mark against it. It’s the fact that it is so poorly made that makes it so bad. As far as appealing to a wider audience, I have to disagree. I’ve been thinking about that one a lot. Rather than mom, dad and the kids which the classic program appealed to (at least most of the time… how d’you like Mawdryn Undead Grampa?), the new series has a near laser-like aim on the ‘tween’ demographic. Much like Harry Potter and Twilight, the series appeals mainly to those interested in fantasy adventure featuring young heroes in love (or pining over lost love) while using the backdrop of the classic Doctor Who program including all the trappings and monsters.
In short, it’s just not the same program. It’s someone using all the same props but making an entirely different series with a different direction and intention.
Alex said
I see what you mean about Doctor Who being different with the 9th and 10th Doctors. I rather like David Tennant as the Doctor though, he’s sort of quirky as the Doctor, to the point where you start wondering about what the hell he could possibly be doing before things wind together. I will admit that I prefer Steven Moffat written episodes to the Davies witten episodes though.
Also, one counter-example to the 10th Doctor destroying all in his way is the Daleks in Manhattan arc, where the Doctor tries to help Dalek Sec to make new daleks more human.
Of course, I’ve heard the phrase about how you always remember your first Doctor, and I started watching Doctor Who in 2007 so Eccleston and Tennant’s Doctors were the first two I saw.
dailypop said
“Of course, I’ve heard the phrase about how you always remember your first Doctor, and I started watching Doctor Who in 2007 so Eccleston and Tennant’s Doctors were the first two I saw.” This is compounded by the fact that the new and old series are very different programs.
And why exactly did the Doctor help Dalek Sec anyway?? That never made sense to me.
Zoe said
I know that everyone has different opinions and that you prefer the older Doctor Who series to the Newer series but the new series has allowed so many more people to watch and enjoy Doctor Who. RTD’s writing might not appeal to you but it appeals to so many other people (including me) and it appeals to a whole new audience as opposed to the older Doctor Who episodes. This series of Doctor Who has gotten a whole new generation of people excited about Doctor Who and wanting to watch it. At the least you could be happy that this has exposed more people to the old Doctor Who episodes because people are more curious about Doctor Who. To be honest, I had seen the old episodes about Doctor Who and they were interesting but I never really got that into it. I only really started getting into the new episodes.
The Doctor tries to help Dalek Sec because it will make them more human and have emotion. Dalek Sec also wasn’t against the Doctor and would have created a whole new race of Daleks. There would have been no reason for The Doctor to fight with the Daleks because they would have emotion and not be fighting against the Doctor.
dailypop said
Everyone is certainly free to their own opinion but the fact of the matter is that the new series is not a patch on the original. The Daleks in Manhattan story is actually a great example as not only does the main plot involving Daleks trying to be human make no sense but it gets sidelined by a romance between a New Yawk showgirl and a Pigman. Making the Daleks human is nonsensical for many reasons but the most obvious one is that the monsters are a mirror of humanity’s xenophobia and violent nature. The entire script misses the reason the Daleks were even created by Terry Nation in ’63.
The new program is touted as bringing in more viewers to the program but if you were to compare it to the popularity of the program in 1983 it would look like a distant cousin. The only thing that the new Doctor Who has going for it is that it is still on the air and can someday maybe possibly redeem itself or begin to resemble the program that it thinks it is.
Pauline Meek said
My favourite Docor was Patrick Troughton. Even as an ignorant sprog I could see the depth brought to role. I couldn’t get away with Colin Baker or Peter Davison – they just didn’t LOOK right.
David Tennant has turned the Doctor into a cartoon character – which isn’t to say he isn’t watchable – he is. I watch him because I am a martyr to my lady hormones, but he isn’t the Doctor. But I think that this is the secret of his success among children now – they like cartoons and that is that what this show has become. Sad, but that’s progress for you.
XD said
you’re totaly wrong ! He’s not even a bit cartoon-like ! He’s just funny ! And well, I like David Tennant’s Doctor because he’s alive, he’s young, he enjoys everything around him, he makes me want to smile. I’m tired of all the too smart/strict and sinister heroes…
And just in case, no I don’t watch/don’t like cartoons
dailypop said
The comparison to a cartoon character is actually spot on.
Tennant’s Doctor shares more in common with another invulnerable magical hero, Harry Potter, than he does to the character developed by Sydney Newman in 1963.
XD said
Oh my god, “British answer to Jim Carey on ecstasy”… David Tennant on ecstasy ? You make me laugh
Sophie said
I think you’re being slightly harsh on David Tennant, it’s not his fault he had such rubbish scripts by RTD. Thank god Steven Moffat is taking over for Matt Smith, fingers crossed he will do a MUCH better job than RTD, & hopefully he’ll bring back some traits from the classic series.
I wasn’t actually born in the time when the classics were broadcasted, I’ve had to put up with the new series. And its okay.. but everytime i see a clip from the classic series, it seems so much better!
dailypop said
In an interview Moffat described the Doctor as ‘just a bloke’ so I’m not really hopeful that his take will be an improvement on RTD’s young adult tween romance epic.
Meg said
Just wanted to say I enjoyed your commentary on the Doctor, and though I’m a Tennant fan (and this could be due to not having seen any other Who than the 9th/10th, in all fairness), I’m encouraged to go and watch the original/older series. I can’t make more of a comment than that not having seen the old series. But I do want to say I agree with you on the “tween romance.” Perhaps that’s why I enjoyed Series 4 the best, because there wasn’t the rubbish “romance subplot/lost love/I like you but you don’t like me” bits (for the most part). Again, I speak with complete bias here, liking Tate and Tennant (once again, a personal preference, and the more I watch Series One, the more I find things to appreciate about the 9th), but I agree, the new series certainly has its flaws, as does the current potrayal of the Doctor. But, it also has its merits, at least to me. A time and a place I suppose. Nevertheless, I’m interested to see how the old series played out and to find what I appreciate/dislike about the old Doctors. Besides, if I only liked one Doctor and abhored the rest, then it wouldn’t be much fun watching a couple of seasons more or less over and over.
dailypop said
Thanks for the kind words. All Dr Who fans have their favorite Doctors and eras and one person’s preference is bound to be another’s abhorrence. For instance, for all the flak he gets, some swear by Colin Baker, the 6th Doctor. There are also instances where that preference changes drastically over the years. For instance, I only appreciated Christopher Eccleston, Doctor #9, after he was gone. An old friend recently reminded me that I used to swear by Doctor #5, Peter Davison. Insanity.
I’m interested in what you think of the past eras of the program and there have been plenty of them over Doctor Who’s 26 year-long history. I dearly hope that the new program under Moffatt steers far away from the tween romance and closer to the series’ strengths… but given that Doctor #11 and new companion Amy Pond look like they belong on the cover of a tween adventure novel, my hopes are very very low.
fuzzle said
For a project that had to keep the spirit of a bearded sci-fi series while still attracting new viewers I think they’re actually doing pretty well. Honestly, I haven’t seen much of the old Doctor Who except for a few episodes. I am a huge sci-fi fan, but only as long as it is and looks somewhat believable. Daleks being what they are – rolling electric irons with plumbers and mixer parts attached – do not qualify as believable high-tech in my book. The same can be said about pretty much everything else on Doctor Who. That concept may have worked a few decades ago, as the possibilities to create viewable science fiction were rather slim, so the silliness of daleks was probably quite normal and didn’t hinder a more serious approach. However, comparing the sci-fi part of Doctor Who to the science fiction of today, a serious approach on Doctor Who would have been a bad joke to any self-respecting sci-fi fan and a complete disaster.
Which is why the revamped Doctor Who needed to consider it’s own silliness and make more fun of itself than ever before. As a silly-mooded sci-fi with a healthy dose of nostalgy for the old series and a shot of romance it had a good chance of survival and in fact has attracted quite a few viewers. In my opinion DT was the perfect man for the job and, after all, he was a success. Even as someone who would jump at the chance of ridiculing the old series to kingdom come I am rather fond of the new Doctor Who, because I am accepting it as “part of the show’s silly nature”. Had they tried to be serious about plastic mannequins and badly done cyberman outfits, I wouldn’t have been able to watch the show.
Even so, it’s not a complete sell-out, as the show still keeps hold of a string of seriousness. But the string is woven into a web of laid back humorous adventure with a fresh and enigmatic lead actor and if you ask me, I wouldn’t have it any other way.
dailypop said
Thank you for visiting and sharing your take. I’m glad you have a program that you like so much.
… excuse me as I rant my opinion…
But that’s just it, the new series doesn’t keep the spirit of the old show. Instead it relies on the trappings around it, like the goofy monsters. The insertion of a romance angle is totally unbelievable as the character has always been sexless and the actor is so un-masculine it’s hilarious. Catherine Tate makes for a more convincing leading man than David Tennant. The guy is over 900 years old yet only after meeting Rose does he become lovestruck… so much so that it is in every single story… and he’s also suddenly a sex object and thinks that the Master is gay?? That’s just poor writing and self-consciously done so by Russell T Davies who only thinks the series can work that way.
I’m not sure how you expect to compare the classic to ‘sci fi of today’ if you haven’t watched the classic eps. It’s not for everyone and I’m not suggesting that watching them will change your mind, but just dismissing over 25 years of programming without even watching it is a bit silly. The new series also looks far worse when compared to contemporary sci-fi, just as many insist the original Dr Who looks poor. In the US, it was played after the new Battlestar Galactica which only reinforced that flaw. If you are looking for ‘believable’ sci fi, I would choose a program that does not rely on a gigantic devil monster that cannot pass the split screen to interact with the Doctor, poorly animated CGi fat molecules, Cybermen who march in line like majorettes and slowly walking scarecows.
Playing the new series for laughs is not objectionable to me as even the classic series has done this successfully. It’s the poor writing and soppy wuvvy-ness that makes the series a disaster. And David Tennant’s Doctor is a poor man’s Tom Baker as played by Jim Carey.
fuzzle said
Okay, you cannot seriously expect me to watch the whole I-dunno-how-many episodes of that show just to get a base to compare the two shows. Yes, I admit that I cannot go into depths seeing how I haven’t actually seen much of it in the first place, but I think that I am quite resonable in my expectations when I assume that the rolling irons and marching tin cans don’t get any better during the earlier days. In fact, I have seen bits and pieces and if I think they look ridiculous now, then they looked even worse back then.
(Although I have to add some – that is, many – females find his so called un-masculinity rather cute. *g* )
So, like I said, DW probably was a pretty up to date show as sci-fi shows went. And if you watched it back when it was aired for the first time, as a sci-fi fan you would have liked it, so much, even, that you still enjoy watching it now.
But now and then are different – viewers change, viewers’ expectations change, different topics are on discussion every day and so, as the director, you have to take a different approach if you want the public to identify with the show. When I first saw DW (the living plastic man-eating trash can) I almost stopped watching right away. It was the humor that stopped me and I thought ‘I guess it’s not so bad for the too-tired-to-think-but-need-a-mood-raiser times’. It makes me smile when I want to relax and it pulls me in when I turn on the silliness-triggered-sarcasm filters in my mind. And it’s not trash like, say, bevos and butthead or what’s their name, which I wouldn’t be caught dead waitching.
Anyway, I have heard about the whole sexless Time Lords point before, but seeing how this show is pretty long and stretched over a huge period of time, I write off this plot hole, provided it is one, under the label “all in all acceptable plot holes”. After all, the fact that he’s sexless doesn’t mean he can’t feel attached to anyone and the whole “the Master is gay” thing can be chucked up as a joke he adapted from his long exposure to humans. And the Doctor never actually initiates anything more than hugging and hand-holding, so.
Now, if you want a sexless Time Lord, who’s better for the role than a guy you label as utterly un-masculine?
dailypop said
No, I don’t expect you to watch them, but judging something without experiencing it isn’t reasonable. If I had only caught glimpses of the new series and declared it trash, I’d certainly not expect you to take that judgement as valid. But I have seen them all… every last one… (Lord, I need a drink).
The idea that the Doctor is sexless is certainly not a plot-hole. It may appear as such if all you know is the new series, but it isn’t. In fact it was addressed by the production team several times and dismissed as not being appropriate.
The only reason that the Doctor stares longily into the distance moping like a teenager about Rose and is hounded by females is because RTD has mistaken Doctor Who for a tween romance adventure series. RTD has several ideas that I don’t agree with(like having the Doctor suspect that the Master is gay or imply that he beats his wife… uh-huh) and hope that with him gone these things will also disappear.
Steven Moffat even refers to his run on the program with Matt Smith as ‘Series One.’
Weird, eh?
In the end if you like it and it helps release tension, etc, good on you. Everyone’s different and one man’s stout is another man’s lager.
fuzzle said
Just because I haven’t seen the whole show doesn’t mean I can’t get a general picture.
It does mean I can’t discuss it an length with you, as I do not have any details. But I can expect it to not be up to date. Obviously. It’s old, most of the editing software didn’t even exist back then. And I can expect it to look silly – even screenshots are enough to tell that.
By plot hole I meant the new DW’s added romance, not the asexuality. Actually, I sort of get the feeling the many, many people to ever work on DW aren’t quite too sure themselves, seeing how the Doctor is supposed to have had a significant other as well as kids, but I can’t know for sure, there are other, artificial ways… I know nothing. But, like I said before, it’s not so graphic that you cannot chalk it all up to simple intense affection from the Doctor’s side and human females being a little too agressive in their advances. Maybe the Doctor has subconsciously put humans on a more equal pedestal now that all the Time Lords are gone. Maybe he’s doing so out of self preservation, so he doesn’t feel quite that alone in the universe (imagine being the last human and imagine living for as long as he may) and maybe that’s why his affection is now stronger than before. Even when it comes to pets or even objects, you tend to get attached to them more intensely when you humanize it. And humans are sentinent. So maybe that’s what he did with Rose, his first companion since the death of Time Lords – “timelorderize” her. That would have made her his only sort-of kin in the universe, which may have led to a bit of an unhealthy obsession. Put a human in a kage and leave them alone to never see another human sould again, they may develop an unhealthy, affectionate obsession with a spoon. Really, you can use interpretation to run away from many a plot hole, as long as you’re given enough room – isn’t that nice?
As for the talk about the Master, well, maybe he’s being influenced by humans more than ever for reasons mentioned above, so he’s stealing our jokes. It was a taboo topic on TV back when DW was first aired, so of course they wouldn’t have had the Doctor made such jokes, but that doesn’t mean he can’t now.
Of course you are entiteled to dislike the way it turned out, but I think you’re being a bit harsh in your frustration.
As for Moffat, yes, that is indeed weird. Especially considering how he was the one to write “Girl in the Fireplace” which is a nice episode as episodes go, but it *was* the episode where the Doctor got jumped by Madame de Pompadour and was more than happy about it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girl_in_the_Fireplace)
Besides, have you *seen* the new companion? Miss babyfaced starving legs in short skirts does not look like a wind of changes that is blowing in the right direction.
fuzzle said
uhhh… sorry for all those mistakes, I’m pretty much falling asleep right now. XD Please ignore them and concentrate on the content.
dailypop said
We can certainly discuss it and I’m keen to, but you may find it hard to understand where I’m coming from.
“Besides, have you *seen* the new companion? Miss babyfaced starving legs in short skirts does not look like a wind of changes that is blowing in the right direction.”- That depends on what you think the right direction would be. If you like the tween romance angle it’s business as usual. Personally, I think Amy Pond looks hilarious rather than sexy. A redhead dressed in red? Urghh… and no, my hopes are not high that Moffat will make any grand changes to the series.
The program has, in its way, shown that the Doctor does develop affection for humans. In The Green Death Doctor No.3 looks positively put out that Jo Grant has found a bloke. In the Two Doctors, Doctor No.6 remembers that he was ‘rather fond of Jamie.’ He can develop affection for his companions, but that’s not what the Doctor/Rose/Martha/Donna thing is all about. That is all about a strong woman finding *the one* which is very silly in the context of this series. It says more about the producer and head writer than anything else.
The Doctor has traveled with incredibly sexy ladies (and a few blokes) in his life. If he could avert his eyes from Zoe, Peri, either of the Romanas, etc… he’s just not into that kind of thing. The 5th Doctor had as many as three cute teens on board at one time and despite what fan fiction will tell you, nothing was going on there.
The new program has made him ‘one of us’ in the worst of ways. This new Doctor is obsessed with TV, pop music and gossip. He references Ghost Busters, likes Britney Spears and reads Heat magazine. He’s Russel T Davies!! I have no trouble with modernizing the character, but at least make him the same character.
Regarding your reasoning behind certain inaccuracies in the new series, every time I’ve read explanations from New Who fans they are almost always based on things that are not on screen and wildly imaginative as well. They are seldom bad ideas, but they usually have little to do with the actual show. Maybe just like the old program, you need to have a VERY active imagination to watch Dr Who.
RobotDethParrot said
How did a “sexless” man have a granddaughter?
The Doctor’s abstinence was more due to standards and practices than anything else. If you want to justify a lack of interest in Peri, Zoe etc, you can say that he never had a thing for humans. Then maybe you can say that “something” happened to him in that ambiguous-plot-hole-devouring Time War and he was at a point in his life where he was ready for interspecies love.
Personally, I thought the Rose thing was very interesting and new at the time, but the intervening three years have been the same “heartbroken Doctor” song again and again. Perhaps a regeneration is the only thing that can cure the show (mind you, I’m a big Tennant fan), but like you said, the casting of the two forthcoming leads does not give one hope.
dailypop said
“How did a “sexless” man have a granddaughter?”
You’re assuming two things, that Timelords propagate as humans do and that I want to think about William Hartnell having sex… Thanks. It has often been theorized that Susan calling the Doctor ‘grandfather’ was more out of sentimentality than out of relation. I know there are other theories on this one but as we have not seen any other Timelord children, wives, husbands or any even other relatives of the Doctors, it strikes me as the most coherent answer. I’m not saying that the idea cannot promote good stories as the novel Lunbarrow is brilliant but as an idea… it’s a poor one.
I don’t see any indication that the classic series producers wanted to depict the Doctor having an interest in romance but felt hampered by unseen forces at the BBC. I maintain that having the Doctor suddenly have a sex drive and an interest in romance is purely in the interest of RTD who has no real faith in furthering the series any other way than introducing a ‘will they/won’t they’ plot device. Humanizing the Doctor in the way that RTD has takes away one of the biggest things that makes the character so unique.
As a side-note, I agree that the introduction of Rose was great but after the regeneration she has no real purpose at all. And yes, it looks like business as usual in 2010.
fuzzle said
“That depends on what you think the right direction would be.”
But even I am annoyed with her right now. I’m actually pretty mean in my reactions, I guess. To be fair, it’s probably not her fault. But, you know, police uniform skirts are not supposed to be that short. *g*
I was talking about your point of view, of course.
“He’s Russel T Davies”
Of course he’s Russel T Davies. It’s Russel T Davies who’s writing him, so the tenth regeneration will always be part RTD and part DT and part every single writer of every single Ten episode. I do get what you’re saying, but honestly, if the Doctor’s personality, his likes and dislikes, change depending on the regeneration, then what’s to say one of those regenerations wouldn’t be “obsessed with TV, pop music and gossip”? The Doctor’s brain works different from ours. What’s to say his brain doesn’t store all that information to begin with, but only accsesses it when the Doctor wants to do so? That would explain why he’s never quoted Ghost Busters before – he’s never felt like it before.
“Regarding your reasoning behind certain inaccuracies in the new series, every time I’ve read explanations from New Who fans they are almost always based on things that are not on screen and wildly imaginative as well. They are seldom bad ideas, but they usually have little to do with the actual show.”
Yes. But no. See, the difference between invention of facts and interpretation of facts is that, when you interpret, you try to give reasons for certain facts, say, by making guesses at what may be going on in the characters’ heads. You’re not inventing anything new, like a new adventure that may or may not have happened in between. School’s a few years down the line, but back then my literary teacher used to say that a valid interpretation does not necessarily have to be equal to what the author wanted to say. An interpretation is valid as long as it’s logical and consistent and based on the facts of the work at hand. The writer or artist has influence over their work while it’s in the making, but the moment it’s made public, it’s out of their hands. Even the author’s intent is but one possible interpretation by then. So, as long as the facts of the show do not scream “you’re wrong” at us, we’re free to interpret things the way we want to.
When he met Rose, the Doctor thought he was the only Time Lord left in existance. (check) He’s very upset to say the least about his ‘last Time Lord’ status. (check) Lonely. (check) Rose was his first companion after the Time War. (check) He seems to be quite fond of humans to begin with. (check) Practically obsessed with Rose, who, in turn is very devoted to him. (check)
Saying that he’s, to a degree, “timelorderizing” her out of loneliness – made easy by the fact that she’s practically adopting him as well, what with the obsessive loyalty and all – and thereby acting not unlike the guy who addresses his spoon as Mister Sparkly isn’t really that far fetched. Neither is thinking that he’d be trying to somewhat “adopt” a different species now that his own is gone and thereby feel closer to humans, act more human than ever before. In fact, it’s been said somewhere on the show that Ten’s got his accent and younger age by adapting to Rose. It’s not that unreasonable a conclusion to assume that the degree of adaption gets stronger when there’s nothing else left to relate to.
“That is all about a strong woman finding *the one*”
Except that’s not really true, either. Rose never gets very far with the Doctor except for the deep affection. Martha never gets very far period and just leaves in the end. Not really “the one” when he’s bad for you. Donna’s just a close friend. So in reality, what we do have is three strong women who cease to be two-dimelsional, yes. But is that really the extent of your problem with Ten? That his companions are strong women?
dailypop said
“But is that really the extent of your problem with Ten? That his companions are strong women?”
No, it’s that he presents the exact same character in different names as the companion and that she is always in love with the Doctor. I’ve actually pointed out SEVERAL issues that make the current version of the Doctor very un-Doctor-ish. Chief amongst them is that RTD has made him into a junk-culture magician who is just absurd. This is not restricted to Doctor #10, it also includes #9 so it really has nothing to do with regeneration. It’s the head writer’s personality filtered through the character.
“See, the difference between invention of facts and interpretation of facts is that, when you interpret, you try to give reasons for certain facts, say, by making guesses at what may be going on in the characters’ heads.”
I have heard of this technique of literary criticism and think that it is more telling of modern society’s open source view of information than anything else. This is actually what they call a strawman argument as it validates nearly any interpretation even if it is against the author’s intent.
Your reading that the Doctor is ‘timelordizing’ her doesn’t really stand up as he insists on several occasions that she is a remarkable human being and ‘the best’ when compared to others such as Adam or anyone else he has traveled with since.
““That is all about a strong woman finding *the one*”
Except that’s not really true, either.”
No, it’s absolutely true. Each female companion is a strong individual woman, unapproachable by other men yet they view the Doctor as special and worthy of their affection, hence ‘the one.’
Rose talks about getting a house together and settling down, Martha pines after him and talks to others about how he’ll never notice her. Donna tells her grandad that out there somewhere is a remarkable man, etc.
I think you are misunderstanding affection for sexual interaction as you keep saying ‘they didn’t get far.’ They are not the same thing. In fact, RTD has represented the love angle as unrequited and eternally one of longing and pining. It’s very juvenile and shows his limited view of what he thinks works in the series.
The fact that the program went on for 26 years without the Doctor having a romance (except for one instance early on) is not a plot hole or even open to interpretation without delving into the world of fan fiction.
fuzzle said
“I have heard of this technique of literary criticism and think that it is more telling of modern society’s open source view of information than anything else. This is actually what they call a strawman argument as it validates nearly any interpretation even if it is against the author’s intent.”
That’s going too far, as it only validates things that actually make sense. It doesn’t have to be intended, but it does have to make sense. If there’s enough evidence against a certain view which cannot be explained away in a manner that, again, makes sense, then the interpretation is invalid. Many artists I have met actually expect the observer to find their own meaning in a painting. But even if they don’t, it’s always going to happen. Interpretation is not just a “technique of literary criticism”, it’s something everyone does when reading or watching fiction, or tring to make sense of art. Even by connecting sentence one to sentence two you interpret sencence two as a continuation of the thought in sentence one. Are you telling me that out of all the interpretations that make sense only the intended one is right? But at some point the sentences are going to end. At some point the author is going to die. Some questions will never be answered and the what? The most simple interpretation is an interpretation still, but maybe the most simple is not the intended.
“No, it’s that he presents the exact same character in different names as the companion and that she is always in love with the Doctor.”
Yes, Donna calls him remarkable, but then again, isn’t he? I mean come on, imagine meeting an alien guy with a time machine who saves the world every other Sunday. You don’t have to be head over heels with him in order to call him remarkable.
And yes, it’s more than that for Donna. But that’s because she doesn’t like her every-day life, thinks it’s mundane and what he has to offer her seems just so much better – exciting, fast-paced and she actually matters in the great scheme of things. But that’s not unusual, in our day and tage many people suffer from depression which stems from exactly the kind of thinking Donna Noble has, namely: “my life is so boring, there’s nothing waiting behind the horizon, I’m a nobody” and so on. It’s actually quite a realistic trait.
I think that, in a way, RTD made this the shared characteristic of every one of his companion, even going as far as pinning it on Sarah Jane. But then it’s not about finding “the one”, it’s about finding a meaning in life and since the Doctor is the guy that makes it possible, well, he’s going to mean a lot to them one way or another.
Rose and Martha – not Donna – both developed romantic feelings, but then, can you call that unrealistic under the circumstances? The more important a man’s role in a woman’s life is, the greater his chance at attracting that kind of affection.
Rose wasn’t unapproachable. She had a boyfriend before the Doctor appeared in her life and, according to a novel, she apparently used to be engaged before that. She fell for the Doctor, but, well, those things happen.
I don’t remember anything hinting at Martha being unapproachable before she met the Doctor. After, well, she was in love, so it’s not really that weird for her to be difficult to approach.
Donna was engaged when she first met the Doctor. The reason she changed her mind was not the Doctor, but the fact that the husband to be was having an affair with a giant spider.
So you see, not really the same character.
“I think you are misunderstanding affection for sexual interaction as you keep saying ‘they didn’t get far.’”
Oh no no, that’s not at all what I was talking about. By “they didn’t get far” I meant that yes, there was affection, but there was never any actual relationship. I’m not necessarily talking sexual. I’m talking committment. In fact, sexual interaction doesn’t necessarily equal “getting far” in the first place. Rose didn’t find “the one”, she just found a guy to moon over, yes. In the end, though, she, not unlike Martha, gave up on him, even if it was for his almost clone. In life, some people have many intense relationships or not-relationships, some people have less, some people have none. But in the end, whether or not any one person was “the one” you find out when you have lived your whole life with them. Days, weeks, months, or even years do not determine that. You’ll only know when it ends.
In any case, it’s not at all unrealistic for some companions to develop feelings of the more romantic kind. In fact, it would be more unrealistic if none of them ever did. And, the younger they are, the more obvious and clumsy they will act because of it. That’s life, really.
“Your reading that the Doctor is ‘timelordizing’ her doesn’t really stand up as he insists on several occasions that she is a remarkable human being and ‘the best’ when compared to others such as Adam or anyone else he has traveled with since.”
Have you ever seen a kid that couldn’t sleep without a certain toy? That kid still knows that the toy is a toy, yet they will treat that toy as a living being, a friend, someONE, not someTHING they love. They give it a persona, humanize it. And yet, they won’t necessarily avoid calling it their favourite TOY. No, the Doctor is not an idiot, he knows that Rose is human. Knows it too well, in fact, as he’s very aware of her short life span. But that doesn’t stop him from, like I said, “timelorderizing” her. That wouldn’t be done consciously by his rational mind. Rather, that would be an emotional process. And it’s emotions that matter when an obsession is formed, not rationality.
“The fact that the program went on for 26 years without the Doctor having a romance (except for one instance early on) is not a plot hole or even open to interpretation without delving into the world of fan fiction.”
I’ve mentioned before, the plot hole, IF it is one, would be the fact that the Doctor is now suddenly capable of romance. Not the other way around.
But then again, you said yourself that there has been affection before. So being asexual does not necessarily prevent any romance whatsoever. The fact that romance wasn’t quite as much a part of every single tv show or movie back then, as it is in our day, however, can explain it rather well.
fuzzle said
(I feel a bit silly dissecting character traits of Doctor Who like it were some important literary work, but I’m having fun, too
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dailypop said
That’s just it, the Doctor is considered a national icon in the UK, so it’s very easy to over-analyze him. He’s also a very simple character which is why it’s so glaring that RTD got it so wrong in the new series. It’s so far from the character of the classic series that he would have been better off divorcing it entirely from what had come.
“Are you telling me that out of all the interpretations that make sense only the intended one is right?”
No, but I am saying that claiming your interpretation trumps the author’s intent is not valid. If you insist that the Doctor loves pop culture because he has embraced human society yet it is not in the actual material, that is enforcing your view on what is actually intended by the program. You’re also laying judgement on the classic series and still admit to not having a real knowledge of it.
Your timelordizing argument makes less sense to me with each post. At this point you are delving into the sub-consciousness of a fictional character.
Rose IS unapproachable. Her relationship with Mickey is no better than one would have with a pet. She treats him like crap and he just takes it. No real intimacy there. The inclusion of the juvenile romance takes over several plots, making it the Rose show. And since she is coming back AGAIN I hardly think she is done pouting and pining just yet. Viewing the relationship between the Doctor and companion as necessarily a romantic one is absurd. It’s like remaking Star Wars so that C-3PO and R2D2 are lovers. Why is it necessary? To keep viewers. It has nothing at all to do with the characters.
Regarding your statement: “So being asexual does not necessarily prevent any romance whatsoever. The fact that romance wasn’t quite as much a part of every single tv show or movie back then, as it is in our day, however, can explain it rather well.” You are presuming that the inclusion of a romantic angle was always a possibility and yet it was not explored due to some unknown obstacle. That is a lot of presumption. It is much clearer that the new series has created its own character and altered it to suit their needs.
Regarding the Doctor being remarkable, it is in nearly EVERY LINE of dialog… so no I did not miss that subtle hint. But RTD has made the Doctor into the only man who will do for Rose, Martha, Donna and even Sarah Jane. Otherwise they are settling. Rose even threatened all of reality just to see the Doctor in Doomsday. That chick is messed up.
fuzzle said
“No, but I am saying that claiming your interpretation trumps the author’s intent is not valid. (…)You’re also laying judgement on the classic series and still admit to not having a real knowledge of it.”
Now, now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not judging or enforcing, I’m just theorizing and contemplating. Does my interpretation trump the intended version? Naw. But how many authors were there working on DW? I’m sure each and every one of them had their own take on the character. Trying to keep him generally the same, there is no escaping the fact that no two humans think completely alike. So what was intended is pretty hard to tell, as there is no one author for a show like that, so there is no one intent. And even if there was, as long as it’s not inside the show, it’s not part of the show.
All I’m saying is, if the shows allows enough room for interpretation, why not use it? Why try to take the most destructive interpretation and thereby destroy the characterization for yorself? Obviously, if the series offers any concrete proof for my suggested interpretation being wrong, go ahead and bring it. I haven’t seen the old series, so I have to rely on you to do so. And you’re free to find a different explanation, of course, one that fits your tastes. I’m defending my interpretation only as a possibility, for sports, really. I don’t need it, after all, since to me the show is fun as it is.
“If you insist that the Doctor loves pop culture because he has embraced human society yet it is not in the actual material”
The fact that he does love it all is in the actual material, at least in the new series. So is the fact that he likes humans. And the fact that he’s adapted to Rose in his latest regeneration. All I’m doing is explaining it all away by drawing a conclusion from all those facts about what may be happening in the Doctor’s head. May be happening, as in possible and not untrue until the show says otherwise. Honestly, you can’t expect the show to tell you about every single thought that’s going through a character’s head, wouldn’t that make you feel more annoyed than anything? And yet, you can’t expect a character’s head to be empty but for the times they actually voice their thoughts. It’s not a good idea to just invent things, obviously, but drawing conclusions by ways of interpretation of said character’s actions is one option you can take.
“Your timelordizing argument makes less sense to me with each post. At this point you are delving into the sub-consciousness of a fictional character.”
Why not? A character that has no sub-consciousness is a rather flat one to begin with. It’s fine to apply things generally known about sub-consciousness to a fictional character in order to interpret their actions, as long as we’re not told otherwise by the show. It’s like expecting a character to fall down when pushed from a roof on earth until we’re told of their ability to float.
“Rose IS unapproachable.”
So now we’re down to one unapproachable girl from three. And yet, you are completely ignoring her past engagement. True, I’m not fond of her treatment of Nicky either. But that alone doesn’t make her unapproachable. It just means she didn’t really love him that way.
“Viewing the relationship between the Doctor and companion as necessarily a romantic one is absurd.”
I never said that. I just said I’m not surprised that it did happen. Why are you? After all, humans, unlike the Doctor, are not asexual. Get a young impressionable girl in the company of a time-travelling human-male-looking genius alien who saves the world a lot and falling for him is only human, really.
“You are presuming that the inclusion of a romantic angle was always a possibility and yet it was not explored due to some unknown obstacle. That is a lot of presumption. It is much clearer that the new series has created its own character and altered it to suit their needs.”
I’m saying it wasn’t included due to the movie-making standards of the past and was included now due to the movie-making standards of today. I’m also saying that it may have little to do with the show itself. Of course, I may be wrong. Or else, it may be possible to interpret your way out of it.
In any case, can you really say that your interpretation is any better? Sure, you’ve got more facts to back it, but that only helps you out as long as there are any facts speaking against the interpretation of someone else. You write down a list of things that make the Doctor the Doctor. But you forgot to add, it’s really only a list of that make the Doctor the Doctor to you.
dailypop said
“Why try to take the most destructive interpretation and thereby destroy the characterization for yorself? Obviously, if the series offers any concrete proof for my suggested interpretation being wrong, go ahead and bring it. I haven’t seen the old series, so I have to rely on you to do so.”
I have no idea what you mean by a ‘destructive interpretation.’ And no, it is not my responsibility to supply you with information on the classic series. I have written several blog posts on the subject that you can read but if you really want to know what you’re talking about, you can investigate it yourself. I have already gone through the trouble of documenting the differences in character from the classic to the new series Doctor in the post above anyway.
““Viewing the relationship between the Doctor and companion as necessarily a romantic one is absurd.”
I never said that. I just said I’m not surprised that it did happen. Why are you? ”
Because, as I have pointed out, it is not in character.
“May be happening, as in possible and not untrue until the show says otherwise. ”
So your interpretation of vague possibilities remains true until proven false. Again, there is a much easier truth with actual facts supporting it that this version of the character was created to serve the purpose of the program. To do so they made him obsessed with pop culture, lovelorn and magical. None of these qualities are from the original material and actually contradict the character as he was written.
“Sure, you’ve got more facts to back it, but that only helps you out as long as there are any facts speaking against the interpretation of someone else.”
No, it is a process in confirming a statement by supporting it with facts. What you have been doing is formulating reasons behind facts. When I show that they are empty you maintain that they are possible.
I have already addressed that is possible by stating that ‘one man’s stout is another’s lager.’ The new series works for you, you enjoy it. But it has very little relationship to the classic series. Unless you want to gather some information to support your argument by actually watching the original series I’m not sure where you want to take this. Discussing vague possibilities is pointless unless you are discussing fan fiction.
Nick G. said
(For anyone else reading this: DailyPop and I have known each other for thirty years.
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I followed the Classic Series on public television up until Colin Baker, when it was unceremoniously yanked from the program lineup. It didn’t hurt that I think Colin Baker, as the Doctor, was why animals eat their young. But for the first Five Doctors, I was a rabid fan, as DailyPop can attest to.
“But it has very little relationship to the classic series.”
I think your vitriol is misguided. Sure, the RTD stories aren’t for everyone (I find some of them to be … lacking), but the Moffat stories IMO more than make up for it. I’ll agree that the new series might not be for everyone – just like some of the classic series might not be for everyone (I can’t stand the Pertwee or Colin Baker years, for example).
But you’re missing the point – whether the RTD stories are good, or bad, or are a reboot of the Classic Series, or have little relation to the Classic Series (and I disagree with you on this point – the nice thing about being a Time Lord is that you can reboot the character yet still maintain ties to the original series, all you need is a TARDIS and a Sonic Screwdriver), the fact remains that if it weren’t for RTD, we wouldn’t have ANY new Doctor Who to speak about at all.
Personally, I find the new series engaging, catchy, and ultimately one of the best shows on TV. It’s far better than the reboot of BSG was, and while V shows promise, I’m withholding judgement for the time being.
And for the record – Tennant is a phenomenal actor. The dude has chops that most people don’t realize.
dailypop said
Nick is also the guy responsible for introducing me to Doctor Who. As I recall it he (somehow) transformed the entire program up until The Five Doctors into one narrative. Just stop for a moment and wrap your head around that. One phone call. I guess I cashed in that moment if he read not only the very long post here but also the comments below. Jeeze. That’s dedication.
I recognize that RTD is the guy who brought the series back (and even emailed him thanks for doing so), but his grasp is so tight that it prevents the series from the greatness it should exhibit. Every episode could easily be Empty Child or Impossible Planet for that case. I really like the first 2.5 years of the BSG reboot but unfortunately it is 4 seasons long. FOUR. Maybe that’s related to my disdain for RTD. Sure he brought back Doctor Who, but it is a shadow of its former self, he should have left about after series 2.
And yes, David Tennant has enormous teeth… that he talks through.
dailypop said
Oh and cheers for the comment, Nick.
Nick G. said
Oh, I’ll completely agree that RTD should have left after series 2. Bring in Tennant, then hand Moffat the reigns. I won’t argue that point at all.
Isabella said
hey there~
your whole article sounds really interesting and you have some great opinions there but you keep saying that the old Who was better because it had that old-fashioned something that jsut made it special. but you can’t keep that now that time continues and we have to move forward. personally, I love David Tennant and Russel T Davies and I think they have done a marvelous job at reviving Doctor Who. but to each his own. Each series portrays what is going on in the world at the time and we can’t have episodes that are talking about things from 40 years ago because the newer audience wouldn’t understand and it wouldn’t be that interesting. it’s great that you put our opinion out there though so people can read about it and find things they didn’t realize!
dailypop said
Thanks for visiting.
I’m actually saying quite a few things about why the previous version of the show worked better and a sense of nostalgia (if I understand what you’re referring to) is just one of them.
Having the program reflect topical concerns isn’t a bad thing in itself and I certainly have no expectation that the new program would reflect ideas and concerns that are not in the group consciousness today. Where RTD misses the mark is in being topical to things only he is interested in, like specific reality shows that will be forgotten in 5 years in Bad Wolf, a pop song popular five years ago in Sound of Drums or the Doctor singing the Ghostbusters theme in Army of Ghosts/Doomsday.
There is a difference in reflecting the public concerns of the day and just writing any old thing into the series that you like which is what RTD does.
dailypop said
I cannot believe that after 38 responses there are still no answers to my question:
“What do you think are the key factors that make up a Doctor and how do you think they should be addressed as Doctor #11 Matt Smith takes the helm of the TARDIS in 2010?”
Does no one have any responses to this? Surely some of you must be thinking of some characteristics that Doctor #11 should have. I’d love to hear them!
Lulu said
Sorry, missed that last bit. IMO the Doctor cannot be defined. To define a thing is to LIMIT a thing, and the Doctor must have unknowable limits to be who he is.
LZo said
This is what I always thought made the Doctor, the Doctor:
He’s a scientist geek who seems to know everything about everything, he can fix any machine, he loves to find adventure where other people don’t see it, he can seem distant because there’s more to him than he shows on the outside, and when it’s all on the line, he’ll do anything to save you.
Because of my age during the Peter Davison years, I’ve always thought of him as something of a father figure, and that’s tough to maintain as I get older and he gets younger…but that’s my fault, not his. I think the challenge will be to make the 11th Doctor seem older and wiser than he looks, although from what I’ve seen of the promos, he’s basically wearing a Troughton costume, so they’ve obviously considered that. I imagine he’ll get a lot of doubt from the people he’s trying to save because he seems too young to be in charge.
BTW, I loved old Who as a kid and I love new Who now, especially David Tennant. I know the romance stuff can get old and RTD keeps putting in all his favorite monsters at once, but since I’m so geeked out about the whole thing, I don’t mind. I’ve loved Peter Moffat’s episodes and am looking forward to more.
Lulu said
You know I was very disappointed when Chris E. left so soon, and thought, who is this clown, DT? But he grew on me, and excepting the bits when grabs the TARDIS control panel with his Converse clad tooties, I found him quite a capable actor. Until… this last “season” of “specials”. It would have been better if the show had just gone on full hiatus at the end of season 4. I blame RTD for his weak scripts more than DT for his over-acting. Do let us all know how you feel about Mr. Moffat and Mr. Smith. I am feeling very optimistic about Mr. Moffat, at least.
Wolves said
I agree to some degree(I’ll beat a dead horse you were being a bit hard on Tennant) RTD may have brought the show to the public again but created a cult of Rose/10 shipping and wanting everything to end happily tweens/teens who rather watch J/E then say genesis of the daleks because J/E is “better”
Now back to the point. To me to be the key factors to the doctor is well to him, he’s the only line of defense to all that is good from the evil that is hidden away in everything, to him traveling in time and space helping as many people as he possibly can while having a laugh or two is the best job in the world yet seeing life at its worst and watching good people die and bad people get away is well something tiring but that’s what keep him going.
Now on Smith.
Well I,m getting a vibe he’s going try always look on the bright side of thing even though everything’s crap in his life. The thing about 10 was he was getting tired well being him first off and the universe ruining all his chances of being happy and Rose didn’t do a god damn thing to fix the state nine was in but let’s move on. He looks a bit dangerously impulsive, from the trailer we see 11 punching a guy whose probably doing something he shouldn’t once the dude is out for the count 11 looks he didn’t mean to punch nor knock the dude out,he may finally get over one or two things with the time war(I don’t think he’ll ever get over that I mean blowing up your planet isn’t something you feel better about when some chick says “I,m sorry!”) but it think those events will still cloud his judgment maybe less with the whole clip of him shooting a gun,possible shooting some sort of device since his sonic screwdriver can’t do it. Humor-wise I don’t know maybe knowing Moffat’s humor it will less flamboyant and it wouldn’t have that many pop cultures references (I mean you can’t find a show these days without it referring to pop cultures) but it should be at least better then the humor RTD sometimes wrote.
Well that’s all I can think right now we still have a few more months before the new who opening comes up on BBC(Hopefully on BBC America not long after) and I’ll just say this, 11 better not fall in love with River song people the doctor+romantic relationship with companion=bad mix he’s not supposed to be prince charming he supposed the doctor, the man who does what most of us will never do;take that extra step in life.
lulu said
I LOVE DAVID TENNANT!!!!!
Coolcat said
That was a really interesting article, but you could d’a been a bit less hard on tennant.
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Ayame36 said
Look I think David Tennant was a brilliant Doctor.He’s strong,brave,hot as hell,heroic,brilliant,loving,young,exciting,makes you want to smile,makes you want to ponce on him how cute he is!,makes you want to laugh your head off, everything a doctor need to be great!He’s bloody Brilliant!
I LOVE DAVID TENNANT!!
Patrick Malone said
I greatly enjoyed your post, and while I agree with others that you seemed perhaps a little too rough on DT, I completely agree with you regarding the writing. I worked in Hollywood for 5 years as a fairly successful writer and coach, and nothing frustrates me more than losing myself in a great moment (TV or the big screen) only to have the writer/director/produce slap me in the face with what they think is some clever throw-away line that disrupts continuity. Sometimes seriously so.
I just watched the episode, “Flesh and Stone” to witness River Song piloting the Tardis … something that only a Timelord is capable of, not simply because they know which buttons to push, but because their immense knowledge and ability to conduct massive mental calculations allow them to. For example, it was Adric’s incomparable mathematical abilities combined with Nyssa’s highly advanced scientific and technical knowledge that allowed them to work together and “almost” do it. Then, the “sound” of the Tardis materializing out of the vortex as the rotor slowed was suddenly explained in one quip from River as the Doctor always forgetting to take the breaks off (no matter that Doctors #3 and #4 had essentially rebuilt the primary aspects of the Tardis by hand).
During the Doctor’s previous incarnation, we have this interesting episode on Mars and the Doctor quickly finds a way to save the remaining terraforming scientists/colonists by snatching them away from certain Doom in the Tardis. Tennant’s Doctor is troubled because he is now in the act of changing history by returning his new friends to Earth … which he does … and promptly messes up an important aspect of future Earth’s history.
Okay … so, why? There have been numerous times that the Doctor had to essentially “hide” someone somewhere (e.g. telling Rose’s “boyfriend” not to give himself away after seeing Earth 100,000). Lay low has been the way of it on numerous occasion, and this concept was used in other scifi series such as Star Trek (the original series) when whole planetary populations escaped certain doom by jumping into their own past (ostensibly to live a simple life in peace). Unfortunately, nit-wittery seems rampant amongst the Tennant writers and there seems no end, and I am quickly losing hope. It seems that so many writers, once finding themselves in a good job, suddenly believe that they actually are “God” of this new universe they are creating – not understanding that playing within the laws as previously written does not hinder creativity for someone with the skill to meet the challenge.
No, the Tardis does not regenerate itself. We have discovered that horrible, demonic, flappy-dragon things come out of nowhere to eat you if you try to make a real change to the flow of time without the aid of a paradox engine (see Doctor #8 with Rose rushing to her dying father and Doctor #9 fighting the newly released Master on Earth) so the changes Doctor #9 attempted with the colonists from Mars should have resulted in another appearance by the time fixing flappy-dragon things (or else tell us why).
Advice to the writers? Watch the Tom Baker series carefully and you’ll find yourself witnessing Doctor #4 taking Sarah Jane Smith into the “possible future” if they actually tried to influence it, instead of making real damned sure it went as it was supposed to. This moment was important for two reasons; (a) it kept the continuity of the show on track, and (b) it creates a challenge for the Doctor *and* the writers to overcome – forcing creative problem solving and ramping up the dramatic tension within the show. Never bypass a real challenge with a seemingly innocent and funny throw-away line (they NEVER come off well) when instead you can take the moment to the next level. Sure, sometimes it’s a real pain to find yourself boxed in by your own story, but don’t invent the next in a series of “magic pixie particles” (the endless pain of Star Trek: The Next Generation) to solve the problem … WORK! THINK! Use your creative talents and the near endless resources generated by your predecessors to help the Doctor SOLVE his problem – not skirt it. If that seems too much of a challenge … simple common sense is an excellent metric to test your thoughts by.
dailypop said
Really great response! I haven’t seen the new two parter yet but have noticed that even with a Nebula Award-winning author in charge, the new Doctor Who is very dumb. It seems that the creative team of the new program feels that they can constantly rewrite the rules of the program (even to the point of contradicting themselves) and if it bothers you, you’re a saddo fan. It’s very frustrating because as you have pointed out, the new ideas such as the nasty dragons that eat you if you change time are a major bending of the rules from the classic program but are also all but ignored by subsequent episodes of Nu Who.
Magic buttons are so prevalent in Nu Who that even the TARDIS itself is full of them (surely the new console is a send-up of the series, right? How can anyone take it seriously when it has a hammer on a string in one iteration and a bicycle bell in another… and why did it need to regenerate after Doctor No. 10 regenerated???).
I think that I’m still too deeply in that honeymoon period where the joy of RTD and Tennant’s joint departure to get annoyed by this continuation of poor writing… but it’ll wear off soon I’m sure.
I highly recommend that you take a read through this blogger’s posts regarding the new series as well: http://www.andrewrilstone.com/search/label/DOCTOR%20WHO.
Timothy said
Yea, i cant really judge from the old Doctor Whos, because ive only seen 10th, and 11th, i have even seen Doctor #12 yet, i know hes Matt Smith, but i dont know about him, i get som kind of Vibe that hes not going to do as well as Tennant and… crap i can never remember the guy who played the 10th doctors name. but nonethe less. out of the 3 doctors i have seen and admired, i find Tennant to be the best and most exciteing. I know he seems like a pompus ass, and the whole “screw with humans and ill kill you deal” is pretty awsome in my eyes, but i guess its because im from a later and slightly more violent and “less intellegent” decade. But yea, i still think David Tennant was an amazing doctor and i was horribly sad to see him go, i literally cried. Matt Smith better be ready, because hes got a lot of shoes to fill and live up to, its not gonna be easy being the 12th Doctor.
dailypop said
… David Tennant was the 10th Doctor, Matt Smith is Doctor No. 11.
You mentioned 3 Doctors total that you admire but can’t remember one and only mention Tennant. Who’s the other one?
Timothy said
Im sorry that i was mistaken. I wasnt quiet awake when i ran across this. The Doctor i couldnt remember was Chris Eccelston. He did a qood performance as the doctor, but i saw him as more of a violent Doctor. I dont know why? David Tennant i saw as more of a trickster and funny guy, which is why i probably adored him so much. As for Matt smith. I havent really SEEN him in action accept on the final episode where David Tennant turns into him. And just some vibe from him i dont like very much, i have no idea what it is. I just dont feel that he LOOKS like a Doctor.
dailypop said
That’s a common reaction to every new Doctor really, so it’s not a mark against Smith as an actor(or you as a viewer for that matter). Traditionally the new Doctor is the opposite of the Doctor that came before him. You should watch the new series and see what you think. I’ve enjoyed Matt Smith immensely so far and have been reviewing the new series as well.
Timothy said
Unfortunatly, i live in the states, and i have no cable anymore. The only way i really get to watch Doctor who is over the internet. Id like to see the new series with Smith in it and see how well hes doing. Do you know if theres anyway to view the new series over the internet?
Wolf said
http://www.doctorwho-episodes.com
thats where you can watch all the up to date episodes as they come out in Brittan as well as all of the old episodes from 1963 onward …. Also I feel that the new series Is very good and I like the old series as well I just feel that they are catering to the newer generation a bit because if they didn’t they wouldn’t be able to keep the show on the air cause it wouldn’t get as good of ratings… I’m sure the BBC does sociological testing to see what people are looking for before they pick there writers or at leas did for the first few seasons. I do agree however with what you said about the glowing angelic-like Doctor with super faith powers to bring down the Master… I loved Doctor who and even liked the 10th doctor a lot but that episode really bothered me I had to take a break from the show for a while just to forget that even happened before I could continue.
dailypop said
Thanks for the tip and for the comment!
While I have already said more than enough on my opinion regarding Tennant, I have been enjoying the latest series with Matt Smith. I don’t know if you’ve seen the 5th series, but you should check it out and my new post today on the upcoming finale this weekend.
stefan said
I can understand what your problem is with Russel T Davies, but I still love the show, even though there are some weird things going on at times, like the angelic flying docter thing when the Doctor takes on the Master and the whole “let’s fly the tardis together”bit when they move planet earth back to it’s original position. I do think you’re being a bit hard on Tennant, though, as I think he does a nice job portraying the doctor. Okay, he is different from many of the others, but many of the previous docters received a lot of critisism in their day(I think especially Tom Baker). I rather liked David Tennant’s Doctor. He’s a kind of Jack Sparrow in a time machine.
As for Mat Smith, it took some time getting used to him, but he does a great job. The “beast below” episode bothered me though. I don’t know what it was, but something just didn’t work for me; However that’s probably due to the writing and not to Mat.
dailypop said
The Beat Below certainly smashes you in the face with the ‘this is a fairy tale’ concept that Moffatt has for the program. I can understand anyone not liking it. I think the reason I enjoyed the Beast Below was that it had a consistency and stuck to what it set out to do, something that RTD’s era failed at all over the place (whee! it’s wacky silly fun! now it’s serious melodrama! now it’s a big nail-biting blockbuster adventure!).
My biggest surprise in series 5 was that it was watchable for the first time in ages. It’s still not well written as well as it should be and most of the characters are cardboard cut-outs played abysmally by amateur actors but Matt Smith and Karen Gillan are outstanding and the program as a whole has a smoother consistency of mood than it has in a long while.
dailypop said
The description “a kind of Jack Sparrow in a time machine” of the Doctor is spot on… and it also easily explains my problem with the portrayal. An indestructible camp adventurer who is irresistible to every woman and waltzes around his enemies who are inexplicably unable to destroy him.
Tom Baker may have received some harsh criticism at first, but was generally revered in his and still the most associated actor with the part. Tennant’s Doctor is also very influenced by Tom’s, and in my opinion that cannot go well since the entire success of the 4th Doctor hinged on it being less of a performance and more of the actor just being who he is. In the end, no one is Tom Baker but Tom Baker.
The program is built on change and even the most devoted follower has at least one of not three Doctors that they cannot watch, but Tennant’s Doctor was just too far removed from what I see as the Doctor. To each their own, though.
azazaz said
Hello,
Can’t say I’ve watched much DW (yet) as I’m only just finishing up series 2 now and have yet to watch the originals.
But, in reference to “the one” comments above, out of curiosity, if you were of the correct persuasion, and had the chance to travel with the doctor, wouldn’t you have difficulty not falling in love with him?
I’ve been skulking about on threads like this and trying to learn a bit more about the Doctor as a character, and it seems to me that he’s kind of a multifaceted ideal for most people. I’m actually a little surprised that this angle wasn’t explored earlier.
I’m afraid I only skimmed on or two comments so forgive me if this has already been addressed but in reference to the Doctor being called “grandfather”, I know that in Series 2 the Doctor says he’s been a father. So I would think there had been some level of attachment involved.
As for your original question, I’m afraid I haven’t been exposed to enough DW to have formed a solid opinion.
Also, please correct me as I may be wrong, but I thought that some (or all?) of the original episodes were split into four parts. How does this compare to the newer episodes? I’m just wondering if maybe the older episodes had longer to draw out a plot and character development.
Right now, I feel like we’re only getting little snipets of the Doctor and his companion’s adventures and that we’re meant to assume, rather than being shown outright, that they get on with their lives and interact between episodes.
In some ways, I do get the feeling that perhaps it has been dumbed down a little for the current audience but I kind of like that they let me think about what the reasons and motivation for characters are. It keeps me thinking about the story until the next episode. Which, I think, is part of what has made it so popular again.
Anyways, if I’ve skimmed over a paragraph or two of someone else’s comment where this has already been hashed out please excuse my addition!
dailypop said
Thanks for being so considerate and polite in your comment, I do appreciate it. And no worries on skimming, there is a LOT of material here. People are very passionate about Doctor Who (myself included).
“But, in reference to “the one” comments above, out of curiosity, if you were of the correct persuasion, and had the chance to travel with the doctor, wouldn’t you have difficulty not falling in love with him?”-To follow that line of thinking Wendy would have HAD to fall in live with Peter Pan… which she didn’t.
For over 26 years the Doctor had no romantic level to his character aside from a single moment back in the the early days of the show and even that was one-sided and not on the Doctor’s part (and a very charming moment it was). Making the Doctor a possibly sexual/romantic partner is just laziness on the part of the producer who saw no other reason for viewers to keep watching each week other than ‘will they kiss??’ It has nothing to do with the character. You’ll see more of this in the other Tennant episodes as almost everyone he meets falls in love with him.
I cannot understand what you mean by: “I’m afraid I only skimmed on or two comments so forgive me if this has already been addressed but in reference to the Doctor being called “grandfather”, I know that in Series 2 the Doctor says he’s been a father. So I would think there had been some level of attachment involved.”- The Doctor had a granddaughter which confused fans as the character was always presented as someone who had no real sexual identity. But saying that he had a wife with whom he had sex with, lived with and was in love with presupposes that Timelords are just like us… which they were never portrayed as… until the new series.
In 2005, Doctor Who came back to the air and had very few connections to the previous series. It wasn’t until the re-introduction of K-9 and Sarah Jane that the program insisted that this was all one big story dating back to 1963… and that brought up lots of problems. There are some story-telling problems, sure, but the main problem is that the new and old series are so drastically different in tone. As you already pointed out, the new series is dumbed down and also presents the viewer with a romantic lead hero that is in conflict with the previous 7 Doctors.
So, in short, thanks for visiting and welcome to the nut house of ppl trying to figure out just how this series works.
It’s better if you investigate yourself, but let me know if you are at all interested in suggested viewing options for the classic series and I’ll give you a few titles.
GUCCImayne said
i love Tennant the writer of this article probably doesn’t have a life and is bitch
dailypop said
Hahahahahahaha… oh you are a card. I love the faction of fandom that cries ‘you’re a sad sad saddo fan.’ Remarkably witty. Give my regards to the society.
You must realize in some way that you are outing yourself as a frustrated fan who cannot stand anyone having a contrary opinion to your own, especially when he backs it up with evidence. Not only that, you can’t even navigate a website to read about the author. If anything, you are adding fuel to my argument.
Lucy said
You know, I feel really late writing this.
I really did enjoy you’re article, but I have a completely different view. David tennant will always be my one and only Doctor. I think four years was enough, and apparently he thought so too, considering he quit. He wanted to leave while it was still fresh and energetic, especially since he knew he would never be able to leave if he stayed.
Well that made no sense.
My point is, i have watched some of the old episodes of doctor who, and I enjoy them. But I enjoy the new doctor who just as much. Sure, some things are kind of lame, seeing as the sonic screwdriver seems to be able to do anything and some storylines are confusing, but it is a whole new view on doctor who.
I loved Christopher Eccleston, and I was mad seeing Tennant at first. But I fell in love with him pretty quickly. He has spunk, charisma, energy, passion and talent. I love him for that. People can laugh all they want at him, because they think he’s comical and a clown. But that’s what I love about him. He gives the doctor so much life and emotion, and he just makes you smile.
It’s pretty hard for me NOT to like David Tennant. Even though he does joke around a bit as the doctor, there are also moments that are so heartwarming and, well serious. “midnight” was one of my favorite episodes, as it’s where the Doctor has reality punch him in the face.
The series 2 finale made me bawl my eyes out. Tennant did such an amazing job during that scene,as so did Billie Piper. It wrenched at your heart, and it felt so real.
The series 4 finale also had me bawling. Or, was it series 3? It’s been awhile. But 9 doc/rose and 10 doc/rose moments were some of my favorite scenes from the show. Yeah, Im a romantic. But they were so well acted.
The new Doctor Who has it’s ups and downs. It has funny moments and sad moments. There are parts that made you cry, yell at the tv, or go “WTF?” there are good and bad storylines, and good and bad acting. I for one adore Catherine Tate and Billie Piper.
Anyways, David tennant will always be MY doctor. Don’t get me wrong, I adore Matt Smith; he is great. Still, I will always be a tenth doctor fan.
dailypop said
Thanks for the visit… I’ll leave it at that.
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